Best graphics card for 98SE?
#41
Posted 07 December 2006 - 03:56 PM
Audigy 2 Platinum also works with 98SE + ME.
Some of these drivers may require extracting all files using Winzip 9/10 or PowerArchiver and then running ctzap/setup separately (trial and error), but most will work with 98SE/ME.
A2 Drivers [some work also with Audigy 1]:
Audigy 2 EAX 4.0 Drivers [7.68 MB]:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargem....522%20whql.exe
Audigy 2 EAX 4.0 Drivers [16.2 MB]:
http://files.creative.com/Drivers/Others/8...GY2_1_84_50.exe
Audigy 2 EAX 4.0 Drivers [6.34 MB]:
http://files.creative.com/Drivers/Others/7...DRV_1-84-40.exe
Audigy 2 EAX 3.0 Drivers [6.88 MB]:
http://files.creative.com/Drivers/Others/2...DRVLB030425.exe
HTH
Some of these drivers may require extracting all files using Winzip 9/10 or PowerArchiver and then running ctzap/setup separately (trial and error), but most will work with 98SE/ME.
A2 Drivers [some work also with Audigy 1]:
Audigy 2 EAX 4.0 Drivers [7.68 MB]:
http://www.station-drivers.com/telechargem....522%20whql.exe
Audigy 2 EAX 4.0 Drivers [16.2 MB]:
http://files.creative.com/Drivers/Others/8...GY2_1_84_50.exe
Audigy 2 EAX 4.0 Drivers [6.34 MB]:
http://files.creative.com/Drivers/Others/7...DRV_1-84-40.exe
Audigy 2 EAX 3.0 Drivers [6.88 MB]:
http://files.creative.com/Drivers/Others/2...DRVLB030425.exe
HTH
#42
Posted 07 December 2006 - 04:48 PM
halohalo, on Dec 7 2006, 08:50 PM, said:
Uli USB 2.0 driver works on GA-K8U-939(M1689 chipset).
Since NVIDIA acquires Uli, I guess they will never fix the USB 2.0 problem for Win9x/me
Since NVIDIA acquires Uli, I guess they will never fix the USB 2.0 problem for Win9x/me
huh? ...well I know it's supposed to work... I was just telling you I don't have trouble with Uli USB 2.0 drivers with an other chipset (actually, M1695).
Oh, and you're right it's too bad that one of the last chipset vendor carrying about Win98 is bought by a Nvidia that only wants being Vista-ready!
@ MDGx: thanks for the links, I always thought the audigy 2 platinum didn't have drivers working with Win9x.
This post has been edited by glocK_94: 07 December 2006 - 05:00 PM
#43
Posted 07 December 2006 - 06:37 PM
If you kept the same motherboard since 1998, then I would definately check which type of AGP slot it has. What the previous posters have said is a good idea: check out the Radeon 7000 series; we still got a Dell from 1999 with the radeon 7400 and it ran most games pretty well until about when Vice City and Halo came out. I also wouldn't go for a much higher end graphics card because it would be a little over the top for a computer that old. The chances are that if you buy an older model graphics card, you won't have much of a problem with driver support.
#44
Posted 14 January 2007 - 01:22 AM
-hmm, good timing, I'm currently rehabbing an old (yet VERY reliable) Gateway p3-866mhz (bought new in 2000) for some (relatively minimal) gaming for a friend's daughter, and I need to get a better vid card.
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-specs: p3 socket 370 866mhz, intel mobo 815EP chipset, 384mb SDRAM, win98se+98se2me
-current agp card: Riva TNT2 M64 (came w/puter, and *surprisingly* plays counter-strike 1.6 very well, but not so great cs:source, which is what she'd like to start playing, so new vid card is needed...)
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-I have another, 3-yr old puter (p4 1.8ghz, sis 650 chipset w/512mb DDR ram) running win98se++ with an ATI Radeon 9800se ("soft-modded" to 9800xt/pro performance, using old 98-compatible OmegaDrivers SoftMod option during driver install and MUCH bigger VGA fan), and I haven't had any problems... I'm going to try the 9800 card in the p3, see how it performs w/cs:source, but I imagine it's a bit of overkill since the little old TNT2 card was able to handle cs:1.6 perfectly, and almost cs:source (around 20fps avg for 'source; not bad for an ancient card, selling for $20 today, huh).
..
-so, I'd like to upgrade that TNT2 a bit, somewhere between the two cards, stressing the CHEAPLY factor
, so as to be able to handle cs:source around 35+fps...
(I know, increasing the ram from 384mb would help, and is on the "future"-list, but I believe upgrading that ancient TNT2 would be the best performance/$$ bet right now...)
...
--any ideas/recommendations, anybody?
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-specs: p3 socket 370 866mhz, intel mobo 815EP chipset, 384mb SDRAM, win98se+98se2me
-current agp card: Riva TNT2 M64 (came w/puter, and *surprisingly* plays counter-strike 1.6 very well, but not so great cs:source, which is what she'd like to start playing, so new vid card is needed...)
.
-I have another, 3-yr old puter (p4 1.8ghz, sis 650 chipset w/512mb DDR ram) running win98se++ with an ATI Radeon 9800se ("soft-modded" to 9800xt/pro performance, using old 98-compatible OmegaDrivers SoftMod option during driver install and MUCH bigger VGA fan), and I haven't had any problems... I'm going to try the 9800 card in the p3, see how it performs w/cs:source, but I imagine it's a bit of overkill since the little old TNT2 card was able to handle cs:1.6 perfectly, and almost cs:source (around 20fps avg for 'source; not bad for an ancient card, selling for $20 today, huh).
..
-so, I'd like to upgrade that TNT2 a bit, somewhere between the two cards, stressing the CHEAPLY factor
(I know, increasing the ram from 384mb would help, and is on the "future"-list, but I believe upgrading that ancient TNT2 would be the best performance/$$ bet right now...)
...
--any ideas/recommendations, anybody?
#45
Posted 14 January 2007 - 04:19 AM
for cs source you need 64mb video card so id suggest an Nvidia GeForce4 Ti
i have a GeForce4 MX 420 PCI card that works quite well.
the lowest 64MB Nvidia video card is Geforce2 Ti.
i believe there is an ATI 128MB PCI card if you need a PCI card
i have a GeForce4 MX 420 PCI card that works quite well.
the lowest 64MB Nvidia video card is Geforce2 Ti.
i believe there is an ATI 128MB PCI card if you need a PCI card
#46
Posted 19 January 2007 - 08:06 PM
Hey, I hope I'm doing this right, because I(actually my 5 year old daughter) could sure use some help finding an AGP(or PCI) card for our computer as well!
1st. We are not gamers and don't intend to become ones
2nd. This computer was given to us free(so we're on a budget)
Problem: My daughter got the "Let's Ride Silver Buckle Stables" game for Christmas and it say that it requires the following: Win98/Me/2000/Xp, Pentium III 700mhz or 100% compatible, 256MB RAM, 32MB DirectX 8.1 compliant video card.
We have: Compaq Presario, Windows 98SE, AMD Athlon 700 mhz K7, 256 RAM (Max of 384 if we add another 128 chip), 250W PSU, 4 - PCI Slots(1open), 1 - AGP (1.0, 1X 2X, 3.3V)Slot currently with a 3dfx Vodoo3 16 MB card.
Question: Will our machine support a DirectX8.1 compliant card off of a 250W power supply and only a AGP 1.0 3.3V slot?
Thank You!
William
1st. We are not gamers and don't intend to become ones
2nd. This computer was given to us free(so we're on a budget)
Problem: My daughter got the "Let's Ride Silver Buckle Stables" game for Christmas and it say that it requires the following: Win98/Me/2000/Xp, Pentium III 700mhz or 100% compatible, 256MB RAM, 32MB DirectX 8.1 compliant video card.
We have: Compaq Presario, Windows 98SE, AMD Athlon 700 mhz K7, 256 RAM (Max of 384 if we add another 128 chip), 250W PSU, 4 - PCI Slots(1open), 1 - AGP (1.0, 1X 2X, 3.3V)Slot currently with a 3dfx Vodoo3 16 MB card.
Question: Will our machine support a DirectX8.1 compliant card off of a 250W power supply and only a AGP 1.0 3.3V slot?
Thank You!
William
#47
Posted 19 January 2007 - 09:17 PM
#48
Posted 23 January 2007 - 08:56 AM
-crap, tried the ati radeon 9800se (256-bit 128mb DDR; softmodded by OmegaDrivers to 9800xt/pro's 8 pipelines) in the p3-866 w98se puter (agp 4x, and it does have 512mb SDRAM, not 384) and it still couldn't handle cs:source... even at minimum settings, only getting 10-20 fps (25-30 fps in "empty" lan game, barely playable, but w/other net players in the game it crawls around 10-15 fps)...
...
-WOW, didn't know Source was SUCH a (Micro$hit-like) HOG compared to cs 1.6 (which plays perfectly, 50+ fps with net players, even with the ancient TNT2 vid card or just intel i815e integrated graphics!)... this is REDICULOUS, since Source doesn't look/play THAT much better than 1.6 ! ... sigh... looks like she'll just have to stick to 1.6, or Condition Zero, etc...
...
(I did notice cheap < $20 cpu upgrades on ebay for this mobo, but max is around 1ghz, only + 15% from the 866, might gain 3 fps... I might be able to use a "Tualatin adapter" to shoehorn in a Tualatin-core p3, maybe up to 1.4ghz, but those things cost more, $60+ incl adapter, and we're already pushing the old 200W psu...)
...
-WOW, didn't know Source was SUCH a (Micro$hit-like) HOG compared to cs 1.6 (which plays perfectly, 50+ fps with net players, even with the ancient TNT2 vid card or just intel i815e integrated graphics!)... this is REDICULOUS, since Source doesn't look/play THAT much better than 1.6 ! ... sigh... looks like she'll just have to stick to 1.6, or Condition Zero, etc...
...
(I did notice cheap < $20 cpu upgrades on ebay for this mobo, but max is around 1ghz, only + 15% from the 866, might gain 3 fps... I might be able to use a "Tualatin adapter" to shoehorn in a Tualatin-core p3, maybe up to 1.4ghz, but those things cost more, $60+ incl adapter, and we're already pushing the old 200W psu...)
#49
Posted 23 January 2007 - 11:27 AM
PsycoUnc, sorry you discovered the whole problem Win98 faces...
What mods have you made with the video drivers? Can you get a larger power supply? If you can get enough power for the fans, you may wish to try overclocking the hell outta your video card...
The problem here is specifically the fact that newer cards have a different DX support version... Have you tried using Source with DX7? DX8? or just DX9? This may further assist you in getting a few more FPS outta that box for THAT game....
have you looked at any MODS for SOURCE? You may be able to find a basic _unsupported_ gfx mod to make it work better on that PC... what I mean, is the graphic files may be the culprit- 98 may not directly support the package of the gfx, and thus cause greater lag (DX language doesn't match up? no problem, I can use the CPU to add the language... and the frame rate drops BIG TIME)
If you can find a replacement _BASE_ gfx file(s), perhaps this issue will resolve? I mean, since you say this is the point of the machine, why not try modding the software instead of the machine?
What mods have you made with the video drivers? Can you get a larger power supply? If you can get enough power for the fans, you may wish to try overclocking the hell outta your video card...
The problem here is specifically the fact that newer cards have a different DX support version... Have you tried using Source with DX7? DX8? or just DX9? This may further assist you in getting a few more FPS outta that box for THAT game....
have you looked at any MODS for SOURCE? You may be able to find a basic _unsupported_ gfx mod to make it work better on that PC... what I mean, is the graphic files may be the culprit- 98 may not directly support the package of the gfx, and thus cause greater lag (DX language doesn't match up? no problem, I can use the CPU to add the language... and the frame rate drops BIG TIME)
If you can find a replacement _BASE_ gfx file(s), perhaps this issue will resolve? I mean, since you say this is the point of the machine, why not try modding the software instead of the machine?
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