[RJARRRPCGP]

I had bad luck before with Perfect Disk in the past. My I believe 5x back in 2002, when I clicked on one of the menus when it was analyzing the HDD, Windows gave me a BSOD! I believe it was STOP: 0x00000050 PAGE_FAULT_IN_NON_PAGED_AREA, because of the event log entry. Windows rebooted on me when I clicked on one of the menus!

Now fast foward to 2004, with a different PC, with I believe Perfect Disk 6x, after I defragmented with the Perfect Disk boot time defragmentation utility, after it was done and rebooted, the following error message popped up:

Windows Explorer has encountered a problem and needs to close.

That error message would repeat. Thus means that the HDD got corrupted!

That's uncalled for! Number one, my PC hardware and configuration was fine. Also, the power never went out.

Has anyone had major problems with Perfect Disk before?

This post has been edited by RJARRRPCGP: 08 September 2006 - 06:18 PM

[Tarun]

Not a single problem, ever.

Software cannot damage your hardware. You probably had the errors on your hard drive and were unaware of them. I see it happen from time to time.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Nope. I discovered my HDD suddenly being corrupted after it was done defragmenting! It failed to defragment properly! My HDDs were never bad. And my other hardware was fine.

I also noticed that Page Defrag can be buggy, (seems to occur with Windows 2000 only) but not as major as with Perfect Disk a while ago.

If you defragment the pagefile with Page Defrag, then right after you log in, you may get an error message pop up saying that there's not being enough virtual memory and the pagefile gets disabled! Windows 2000 may reject the pagefile as "corrupted"!

Tarun, on Sep 8 2006, 08:33 PM, said:

Not a single problem, ever.

Software cannot damage your hardware. You probably had the errors on your hard drive and were unaware of them. I see it happen from time to time.

I didn't mean the hardware. I meant Windows! Explorer.exe was repeatedly crashing after I defragmented! I was forced to reformat the HDD then reinstall Windows!

This post has been edited by RJARRRPCGP: 08 September 2006 - 06:53 PM

[Jeremy]

Bad timing and you're blaming everything on PerfectDisk, which is not responsible for your problems.

[RogueSpear]

After Diskeeper totally screwed about a half dozen hard drives on me, I changed to PerfectDisk and haven't had one problem ever. I've been using it now since the version 5 days. Another thing is that I don't like my money going to support a religion - any religion. When you buy Diskeeper your money is going to the Church of Scientology.

[Jeremy]

RogueSpear, on Sep 8 2006, 10:25 PM, said:

After Diskeeper totally screwed about a half dozen hard drives on me, I changed to PerfectDisk and haven't had one problem ever. I've been using it now since the version 5 days. Another thing is that I don't like my money going to support a religion - any religion. When you buy Diskeeper your money is going to the Church of Scientology.

Man, that's got to be THE strangest post I've ever read... ever...

[RogueSpear]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diskeeper

[Tarun]

You're quoting a Wiki. Nothing on Wiki's should be taken as solid facts since any user can edit them at any time.

[RJARRRPCGP]

Jeremy, on Sep 8 2006, 09:16 PM, said:

Bad timing and you're blaming everything on PerfectDisk, which is not responsible for your problems.

This was strange. When I tried Perfect Disk 5x I believe back in 2002, I had it analyze the HDD then I wanted to check something on the menus. Then when I clicked on the menu bar, Windows hung then rebooted. It would always go through if I didn't click on the menu bar when it was "analyzing". I never had anything like this occur with Diskeeper.

Also, fast forward to 2004 with not the same hardware, with I believe Perfect Disk 6x, I was defragmenting files with the Perfect Disk boot-time defragmentation utility. It usually does a good job. But all of a sudden when it was complete then rebooted, explorer.exe would keep on crashing. I couldn't even access the desktop. It appears that under certain file placement conditions that it ends up misplacing files.

Jeremy, BTW, I can't recall Perfect Disk having problems under Windows 2000. It worked properly everytime, AFAIK.

Also, I can't recall having problems with Page Defrag under Windows XP.

This post has been edited by RJARRRPCGP: 08 September 2006 - 10:02 PM

[CoffeeFiend]

Tarun, on Sep 8 2006, 11:48 PM, said:

You're quoting a Wiki. Nothing on Wiki's should be taken as solid facts since any user can edit them at any time.

Yes, but look at the bottom, #1 under "Notes". That links to a wired article, which cannot be edited by just anyone, and is held by journalistic standards and would be sued if it lied about something like this ("backing evidence" of the WikiPedia Article)

Quote

Executive Software CEO Craig Jensen is a member of the Church of Scientology and has claimed his employees are schooled in the principles of Scientology's founder, L. Ron Hubbard.

And to answer the original question, I've never had any problems with PerfectDisk (and I've seen quite a few PCs use it over a few years - including on a bunch of servers -- some running exchange too), and it's doing a MUCH better job than DK ever did (O&O was also better than DK last I've tried it). More thorough (PD won't touch hibernate file, nor NTFS metadata and such), much faster, better placement (namely of the MFT) and all (needs less empty space to run, and has a very good network management console too, that DK only includes in pricier versions). Like Jeremy said, you can't blame your hardware issues on PerfectDisk or whatever. I've never even heard of such "PerfectDisk screwed up my PC" claims before, it's just an isolated incident. It's quality software, they've got a bunch of really decent programmers (like Greg Hayes who's been named a MS MVP for 4 years in a row!), and it's pretty much certified by Microsoft for everything (windows 2000, XP and 2003, MS Exchange, etc), they're a Microsoft Gold Certified partner too. It's used by a lot of companies with great success, and it always gets great reviews too (from PC mag, Windows IT Pro, ComputerWorld, Softpedia, CNET and many others)

Diskeeper is sub-average (IMO), but sells because it's the well-known name, even though other options are usually better and often cheaper too. I'm looking forward to PerfectDisk 8 very soon!

This post has been edited by crahak: 08 September 2006 - 10:23 PM

[Jeremy]

I still think it was another issue that only made itself apparent to you at that time, which in your case just happened to be when you rebooted after using PD at boot-time. Never ever heard of any defragmenter causing file errors in the 12 years I've been using PCs.

[boooggy]

i cant belive u man....everytime when u have an issue on your pc u blame some software....
i read lots of your posts in nlite thread that in the end turn out is not nlite fault....
so now i can bet is not perfect disk errors ....
i recommand that u should the defragment utility from windows.

[RogueSpear]

Tarun, on Sep 8 2006, 11:48 PM, said:

You're quoting a Wiki. Nothing on Wiki's should be taken as solid facts since any user can edit them at any time.

Ok so you're one of those people. I figured one source was enough. Everyone here has hopefully heard of a search engine.

[DigeratiPrime]

Tarun you should try to click on the "[#]" in wikipedia or look at the 'Notes' section it will take you to the external references

but lets try to stay on topic ok

[Jeremy]

DigeratiPrime, on Sep 9 2006, 12:36 PM, said:

Jeremy you should try to click on the "[#]" in wikipedia or look at the 'Notes' section it will take you to the external references

but lets try to stay on topic ok

Mr. Moderator, I wasn't even on Wikipedia so why are you telling me to click this and that on that webpage?

[DigeratiPrime]

gah i meant Tarun, very sorry Jeremy

[RJARRRPCGP]

boooggy, on Sep 9 2006, 02:29 AM, said:

i cant belive u man....everytime when u have an issue on your pc u blame some software....
i read lots of your posts in nlite thread that in the end turn out is not nlite fault....
so now i can bet is not perfect disk errors ....
i recommand that u should the defragment utility from windows.

I don't blame everything on software.

I first off said that the Perfect Disk issue seems to be under Windows XP only. I dunno why.

I also thoroughly test my PC hardware. I put my PCs through boot camp! If Prime95 fails, they're DQ'ed!

I also checked the SMART. The SMART was fine.

This post has been edited by RJARRRPCGP: 09 September 2006 - 11:48 AM

[Andromeda43]

Ok, so let me see if I got the gist of this thread correctly..... (so far, it's been a bit vague)

PerfectDisk is crapola.....Diskkeeper is written by the same company that wrote Windows Defrag (a fact, not rumor) and they support the Church of Scientology. How am I doing so far?

Well, I'm so glad to know all that, but I quit using Defrag a long time ago to keep my HD in order.
All the defrag programs 'wet the bed' as far as this tech is concerned. The last decent Defrag was in Windows ME. I still share that will all my Win-98 customers.

I found that if I just do a Ghost Restore after I've done a Ghost backup, all my files are rewritten in perfect order, with no spaces and NO fragmentation. And it only takes five minutes, not the long times that defrag programs are noted for. When seen from MS XP's Defrag Analysis, right after a Restore, it looks like this:



Now, if any of yous have a Defrag program that can do any better'n that.....I'll buy it.

Cheers!
Andromeda43

[Jeremy]

You've posted that several times. PerfectDisk isn't crapola, either. Just because it wasn't written by the people who originated the API for defrag, doesn't mean it sucks. And who cares about Scientology...
I also don't consider restoring an image file every night or week a way to avoid fragmentation (consistent even). You're essentially doing a defrag by restoring and having your files re-written to the HD in perfect order with no gaps. I suppose the only beneficial thing is that restoring takes less time than defragmenting. However, is it more work for the HD to rewrite your entire partition, or just to defrag the files that already exist? Think about that... Time VS Workload

[CoffeeFiend]

Andromeda43, on Sep 10 2006, 03:52 PM, said:

Ok, so let me see if I got the gist of this thread correctly..... (so far, it's been a bit vague)

PerfectDisk is crapola.....Diskkeeper is written by the same company that wrote Windows Defrag (a fact, not rumor) and they support the Church of Scientology. How am I doing so far?

You got that backwards. PerfectDisk is great, while DK isn't exactly stellar (and yes, MS licensed an old version of that thing to make a even suckier version), and does support scientology.

As for your disk usage graphs, that doesn't mean a whole lot. Your drives could still be fragmented (not like the windows defragger is very smart) - and definitely not optimized (like with smart placement or such). I have yet to see a single partition NOT be fragmented after ghosting it (even if you've defragged before making the image). There has ALWAYS been fragments after restoring the image (except perhaps for FAT16/32 - which I haven't used in ages and truly don't care for).

Besides, there's no way you could reimage my PC in 5 minutes, and having such images for all my PCs would take a huge amount of storage for nothing.

And imaging your OS and restoring it does absolutely nothing to all my data partitions (which are ~95% of my storage). I'm not going to make a ghost image of the video server to defrag it.