[myelin]

Question no.1 : Is there any browser based on I.E 6.0 SP1?
Question no.2 : Do you think that browsers based on 6.0 SP1 will be more secure and stable?
Question no.3 : Which browser do you use most commonly use?

This post has been edited by myelin: 08 November 2006 - 05:58 PM

[BenoitRen]

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Question no.1 : Is there any browser based on I.E 6.1 SP1?

I think you mean different shells for the rendering engine. Yes, there are. Maxthon, Avant, etc.

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Question no.2 : Do you think that browsers based on 6.1 SP1 will be more secure and stable?

Not a chance. All the vulnerabilities are in the rendering engine. Shells won't change that.

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Question no.3 : Which browser do you use most commonly use?

SeaMonkey.

[whatever420]

BenoitRen, on Nov 7 2006, 12:04 PM, said:

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Question no.2 : Do you think that browsers based on 6.1 SP1 will be more secure and stable?

Not a chance. All the vulnerabilities are in the rendering engine. Shells won't change that.

Not true...

While Maxthon was still in it's infancy, there were at least 2 Microsoft IE exploits that Maxthon's programmer (BloodChen) patched from within Maxthon itself...

He released a emergency patched version of Maxthon 3 months before MS released patches for the exploits...

Your statement is false...

[Petr]

myelin, on Nov 7 2006, 04:07 PM, said:

Question no.1 : Is there any browser based on I.E 6.1 SP1?
Question no.2 : Do you think that browsers based on 6.1 SP1 will be more secure and stable?
Question no.3 : Which browser do you use most commonly use?

You probably mean Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1, there is no 6.1 version.

Petr

[myelin]

Petr, on Nov 9 2006, 12:36 AM, said:

You probably mean Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1, there is no 6.1 version.

Petr

Yes, it is 6.0.

What i am asking is a browser whose minimum requirements are 6.0 and not less then that. Any help on this?

[ivman]

BenoitRen, on Nov 7 2006, 01:04 PM, said:

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Question no.1 : Is there any browser based on I.E 6.1 SP1?

I think you mean different shells for the rendering engine. Yes, there are. Maxthon, Avant, etc.

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Question no.2 : Do you think that browsers based on 6.1 SP1 will be more secure and stable?

Not a chance. All the vulnerabilities are in the rendering engine. Shells won't change that.

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Question no.3 : Which browser do you use most commonly use?

SeaMonkey.

I am using Seamonkey as I type this. I downloaded the new version Seamonkey 1.0.6 and installed it this morning. I like it. I use KerioPersonalFirewall 2.1.5 and AVG 7 on my computer. I also you IProtect You v 3.06 for filtering. One of the things it does is filter ads. Is browsing with Seamonkey safe for my Win98SE machine with those safeguards in place?

Thanks!

ivman

[Arrow]

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What i am asking is a browser whose minimum requirements are 6.0 and not less then that. Any help on this?

TheWorldbrowser
I know because my 98se comes on a vendor's oem restore disk which has internet explorer 5.5 or something already on it
Last time I reinstalled the o/s I quickly loaded up theworld before upgrading to int ex 6.0 first, the world popped up a dialogue saying int ex 6.0 required.
It would still function, but minimally so without all its security features.

Theworldbrowser has many similarities to maxthon and can also utilise quite a few of its plugins.
Both are more secure than plain internet explorer and far better featured


http://www.ioage.com/cn/download.htm
translated
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?u=http:/...cn/download.htm
You can download the installer or non install version and simply run it from its folder

Version 2.0 of the world is more advanced with multithreading but like maxthon 2.0 is still in beta stage with limited features compared to the 1.0 series
http://www.ioage.com/en/index.htm
downloads for different os inc win98
http://www.ioage.com/en/download.htm

This post has been edited by Arrow: 10 November 2006 - 08:10 AM

[myelin]

Arrow, on Nov 10 2006, 07:08 PM, said:

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What i am asking is a browser whose minimum requirements are 6.0 and not less then that. Any help on this?

TheWorldbrowser
I know because my 98se comes on a vendor's oem restore disk which has internet explorer 5.5 or something already on it
Last time I reinstalled the o/s I quickly loaded up theworld before upgrading to int ex 6.0 first, the world popped up a dialogue saying int ex 6.0 required.
It would still function, but minimally so without all its security features.

Theworldbrowser has many similarities to maxthon and can also utilise quite a few of its plugins.
Both are more secure than plain internet explorer and far better featured


http://www.ioage.com/cn/download.htm
translated
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?u=http:/...cn/download.htm
You can download the installer or non install version and simply run it from its folder

Version 2.0 of the world is more advanced with multithreading but like maxthon 2.0 is still in beta stage with limited features compared to the 1.0 series
http://www.ioage.com/en/index.htm
downloads for different os inc win98
http://www.ioage.com/en/download.htm

Never heard of it before and its looking very interesting. Thanks for the links.

[Arrow]

I've been using various versions of theworld for at least a year now.
Prior to that on the i ex shell I used Maxthon and before that Myie2 .

The beta versions of the 2.0 series are gradually implementing the features already in the 1.0 series, Previous beta versions hardly had any user confiurations and were very buggy on win98se

TheWorld 1.0 series has a lot of useful features that aren't immediately apparent.
ie I have about 30 different webpage urls set up to open from various keyboard shortcuts so I'm hoping they get into version 2.0
You can even string a number of urls together and launch them from one key.

Browse with safe and silent mode enabled it is an excellent filter and blocker
over and above the various adfilter/blocking features.

Theworld has its own plugins section but its not easy navigating the chinese forum for them.
Some maxthon plugins can be used in theworld - its trial and error.
http://forum.maxthon...showtopic=31637

or you could try maxthon itself, I can verify the comments made above by whatever420 about it.

This post has been edited by Arrow: 10 November 2006 - 11:29 AM

[BenoitRen]

What's the point of patching up the piece of crap that is IE? It's inherently secure, and the shell working around exploits does NOT patch them in the rendering engine. The zone model is inherently flawed.

And even if these shells are more secure than stock IE, its web standards support remains severely lacking, which is an insult to the web.

[Arrow]

I'm sure you can make the same point politely.
The threadstarter asked for information about internet explorer 6.0 shell browers which he is getting.


I also regularly use k-meleon which suffers less exploits than firefox

There are ways to set up pc security to eliminate most things apart from the most severe exploits whilst using internet explorer.

People are more likely to trash there own system just playing around
with settings whilst disconnected from the web than get hit by those.

Reinstalls of os caused by me messing about or by lousily written software in over 5 yrs = 6
Hits from the web causing a reinstall or major loss of data = 1
In the early months whilst I was still learning the ropes

This post has been edited by Arrow: 10 November 2006 - 11:47 AM

[myelin]

Thanks for refering me to a browser which is based on I.E 6.0 . But it has the same problems as I.E 6.0. It seems there are infinite exploits in I.E less then 7.0 version that just cannot be covered by any browser. The browser failed my stability test same as Maxthon and others did. And its not a new thing for anyone. One thing though; I.E based browsers are faster then any Gecko based browsers. K-meleon is a nice browser.

[mindtrick]

I sometimes use K-meleon too. But most of my time I'm on Firefox. If you have an older, slower computer K-meleon is great for you. Uses the gecko engine, and it's very fast.

This post has been edited by mindtrick: 10 November 2006 - 11:55 AM

[Arrow]

If you want to be secure and stable, don't put anything personal on a pc

Don't use credit or store cards and don't use mobiles, you are leaving a trail that would floor you in its extent if presented with it.
Don't get books you like from the library, take out decoy reading matter instead

I simply prefer to use internet explorer shell browsers most of the time.
I Ilke the feel, I like the way webpages look I'm happy with them.
I'm also security conscious so I take it upon myself to implement added precautions.
hence my not mentioning their names!

I might get hit but there's nothing on my pcs to get hit over.
Just web stuff which anyone can get on the web.
No personal details, no finances, no addressbooks nada!

I regularly backup stuff so at worst I'd lose something i could download again


Next you'll have to be surfing with firefox whilst using privoxy and tor or variations on that theme, to hide your urls from your isp and websites and cover tracks back to your pc from malicious sites, but that in turn could draw attention to you - why is that person doing that? - its never ending!

Browser is one link in the chain - the main link is human so no browser is safe!

ps Volvo's are designed for safety but we rarley see their owners winding down their windows and screaming out at drivers of other makes
"you idiots, you are an insult to the highway driving those unsafe pieces of junk"

This post has been edited by Arrow: 10 November 2006 - 12:52 PM

[BenoitRen]

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I'm sure you can make the same point politely.

One bad word makes me impolite? One that was right, even? Please.

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I also regularly use k-meleon which suffers less exploits than firefox

Wrong. They both use Gecko, and have roughly the same number of exploits (I say roughly because there's the rare case that it's the Firefox interface at fault).

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One thing though; I.E based browsers are faster then any Gecko based browsers. K-meleon is a nice browser.

K-Meleon is also Gecko-based, and it flies just as fast, if not faster, than IE.

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Hey listen if you wanna be secure and stable, don't put anything personal on a pc

Since when was the presence of certain data a factor? Your PC is not suddenly secure when you don't have personal data on it.

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Sure i might get hit but there's nothing on my pcs to get hit over.

Please. There doesn't even have to be anything. Your PC can silently get taken over and added to a botnet that sends SPAM to everyone.

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Next you'll have to be surfing with firefox using privoxy and tor or variations on that theme, to hide your urls form your isp and websites and cover tracks back to your pc from malicious sites, but that in turn could draw attention to you - why is that person doing that? - its never ending!

Taking those precautions is mostly for the paranoid.

[eidenk]

BenoitRen, on Nov 10 2006, 12:56 PM, said:

Your PC can silently get taken over and added to a botnet that sends SPAM to everyone.

How ?

[Ludwig Von Cookie Koopa]

Well so far Sea monkey passes those hurdles that IE4 will not and using my IE4 is safe seeing how I do not visit such webpage or take my chance with IRC chats. I personally do not recommend IE6 unless you really need something specific.

My motto is there is allways another way.

Then again with using credit cards I suggest just using the credit card on trusted pages. I never buy anything from Gamestop or MAcy online which is dumb unless I really and posotivitily need to. I use my credit card for moving money and buying from my favorite Web comic artists.

Again you might want to clear out all old data after using credit cards. Then again if you are not running hot on the wages you should not worry. People go after you on a persoanl scale when they know you like your best freind or Co worker.

[FoxHound]

What about Firefox 2?Its a lot safer becasue this is the only remaining browsers that DOESN'T rely on the IE engine.Instead it uses the much safer Gecko.

[Ludwig Von Cookie Koopa]

Well I said before that when I installed Firefox NOadware found it as a worm. Also FireFox never made a diffrence.

[Atmosphere XG]

Very nice post Arrow, and I agree 100%

And, thanks for the World Browser BTW.

Arrow, on Nov 10 2006, 01:42 PM, said:

If you want to be secure and stable, don't put anything personal on a pc

Don't use credit or store cards and don't use mobiles, you are leaving a trail that would floor you in its extent if presented with it.
Don't get books you like from the library, take out decoy reading matter instead

I simply prefer to use internet explorer shell browsers most of the time.
I Ilke the feel, I like the way webpages look I'm happy with them.
I'm also security conscious so I take it upon myself to implement added precautions.
hence my not mentioning their names!

I might get hit but there's nothing on my pcs to get hit over.
Just web stuff which anyone can get on the web.
No personal details, no finances, no addressbooks nada!

I regularly backup stuff so at worst I'd lose something i could download again


Next you'll have to be surfing with firefox whilst using privoxy and tor or variations on that theme, to hide your urls from your isp and websites and cover tracks back to your pc from malicious sites, but that in turn could draw attention to you - why is that person doing that? - its never ending!

Browser is one link in the chain - the main link is human so no browser is safe!

ps Volvo's are designed for safety but we rarley see their owners winding down their windows and screaming out at drivers of other makes
"you idiots, you are an insult to the highway driving those unsafe pieces of junk"