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I've been a bit curious lately. If memory serves, I think it was about this time in XP's between testing and RTM stage that news began to leak about "Longhorn". Now that Longhorn/Vista is almost out, has anyone heard anything yet about the next next version of Windows, codenamed "Vienna" (formerly "Blackcomb")?
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i havent heard much of vienna...but if memory serves me correctly there was supposed to be a release between vista and blackcomb yet..not necessarily Vista R2 either.

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Wow... What could they possibly put in Vienna that they haven't put in Vista? I think they've just about fattened-up Vista as much as they could, don't you all think?

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they could put in winfs or the other features they were going to put in vista but didnt

Edited by awergh, 18 November 2006 - 11:47 PM.


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One rumor I heard is that they're redesigning the thread management, since the original NT architecture did not foresee a future where everything is becoming massively multicored.

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Sounds to me like Vienna will be no more than what they hoped Longhorn to be in the first place.

Blackcomb's been in the works for a long time (e.g. 1998 or so). It has always been seen as a huge upgrade of Windows, much bigger than win95. There's an old video (circa 1999) on YouTube of the 3D interface Microsoft was hoping to put into Blackcomb. But now, with it being renamed to Veinna, it may not be as big.
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want vista meant to be the biggest upgade since 95, i dont think it is but anyway i havent used it.

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Nah, it's about the same as 2000-XP.
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Internally, Vista's upgrade (even from XP) was like going from Win95 to WinXP. However, from a user's perspective, it's probably not going to be too different (the 2000 - XP analogy works well here). It's all under the covers, but hopefully some of the really neat usermode stuff will make it into Vienna.
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Wasn't it said that Blackcomb would do away with the taskbar idea?

And I believe the interim release (Vista R2??) is Codename "Fiji".
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Supposedly, Blackcomb was going to have some sort of wheel instead of a taskbar. It was also supposed to have massive amounts of 3d involved, but then, things change.

Personally I can't see MS releasing Vienna in it's "radical departure from xp" form as a primary os as it would scare off too many people. It'll either be less experimental or will be a limited release and not a sequal to Vista.

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When Blackcomb/vienna does come out, it will only have half the features planned, be 2 years late, and will be the most unstable os ever! Microsoft cannot cope with upgrading products, have you seen how many redundant files there are in XP? To make vienna a success they need to start from scratch, and remove the thousands of lines of code that don't do anything.

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Do you know how crucified Microsoft will be (already is, to a point in Vista) for not being 100% backwards compatible with crap from forever ago? And make changes - what about the uproar about the annoyances that UAC or IE7 changes have brought (for security reasons no less - "we want security but we don't want to be inconvenienced or have anything change at all" :realmad:)? Oh, and our OSes are unstable (baloney), and our products are always late (that part is true :)).
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Do you know how crucified Microsoft will be (already is, to a point in Vista) for not being 100% backwards compatible with crap from forever ago? And make changes - what about the uproar about the annoyances that UAC or IE7 changes have brought (for security reasons no less - "we want security but we don't want to be inconvenienced or have anything change at all" :realmad:)? Oh, and our OSes are unstable (baloney), and our products are always late (that part is true :)).


Tell me about it. At my school, teachers are always requesting for this software, copyright © 1998, to be deployed on every computer on the network. We have a very strict active directory system where one teacher on the campus gets admin rights, but most teachers and all students don't. Our problem is that when the software is running, it's trying to swap out new XP/2000 dlls with ancient win95 ones... but they can't because they are running without admin rights. Anyways, it can be a mess without proper backward compatibility.

When Blackcomb/vienna does come out, it will only have half the features planned, be 2 years late, and will be the most unstable os ever! Microsoft cannot cope with upgrading products, have you seen how many redundant files there are in XP? To make vienna a success they need to start from scratch, and remove the thousands of lines of code that don't do anything.


Notwithstanding my above comments, I agree 100%. They need to pull an OS X.
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I see Vista as a stepping stone to Vienna. Microsoft has the technology (as we've seen in the videos) but the average person's computer isn't up to par. So they put out Vista. Vienna is going to be the real revolution although I still believe Vista is a great improvement over XP :yes:

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It doesn't matter what they do to it as long as it remains 'web-centric and internet/network orientated' because unless we get some real broadband connections in the US (like the 45 MB/s connections in Japan) like the phone company promised us back in the 90's (but later decided not to do it, they made this promise to win concessions from Congress which they got), were gonna be up S*** creek as far as using something like Vienna. You guys do know that MS's future aim is a move back to a 'main frame' type set up where a windows computer is simply acting as a terminal running applications off the MS servers. I think we will see something sort of like that with Vienna where certain content and applications will need to check with MS before they will run.

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Well, the next major release (except Server 2007/2008) will be Windows Server "Centro", a kind of SMB sh*t I think. I didn't had the chance to install it though. It's divided into 3 DVDs...
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"Centro" is in the same vein as the "Small Business Server" product line - think of it as Windows Server "Medium Business Servers" (it takes 3 servers to run). It installs (currently, anyway) Windows Server Longhorn, Exchange Server 2007, System Center Essentials, SQL Server 2005, Forefront security, and ISA Server, and has a custom MMC that allows management of all of these systems from one location.
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Interesting... 3 servers huh? Makes sense I suppose, so many hugely used apps.. We'll just have to wait to see how it turns out ;)

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I can't tell you how many medium-sized businesses run this exact software stack - with a 3rd party antivirus and no System Center for monitoring. If this can be brought to a competitive price point, I think it'll sell REALLY well. SBS does really well, and taking that concept to the medium-sized business market and bringing all of the apps one might use in that scenario, and making it all gel in one MMC (I'd guess it'll probably end up being System Center-centric) is a really cool idea, at least IMHO.
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Windows "Vienna"
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Source model: Closed source
License: Microsoft EULA
Kernel type: Hybrid Kernel
Support status: Preliminary development planning. Planned release year between 2009 and 2012.


Windows "Vienna" (formerly known as Blackcomb) is Microsoft's codename for a future version of Microsoft Windows, originally announced in February 2000, but has since been subject to major delays and rescheduling.

The code name "Blackcomb" was originally assigned to a version of Windows that was planned to follow Windows XP (codenamed "Whistler"; both named after the Whistler-Blackcomb resort) in both client and server versions. However, in August 2001, the release of Blackcomb was pushed back several years and Vista (originally codenamed "Longhorn" after a bar in the Whistler Blackcomb Resort) was announced as a release between XP and Blackcomb. Since then, the status of Blackcomb has undergone many alterations and PR manipulations, ranging from Blackcomb being scrapped entirely, to becoming a server-only release. As of 2006, it is still planned as both a client and server release with a current release estimate of anytime between 2009 and 2012, although no firm release date or target has yet been publicized.

In January 2006, "Blackcomb" was renamed to "Vienna".[1]

Source: Wikipedia - Windows "Vienna"

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Sounds to me like Vienna will be no more than what they hoped Longhorn to be in the first place.

Blackcomb's been in the works for a long time (e.g. 1998 or so). It has always been seen as a huge upgrade of Windows, much bigger than win95. There's an old video (circa 1999) on YouTube of the 3D interface Microsoft was hoping to put into Blackcomb. But now, with it being renamed to Veinna, it may not be as big.




Dear God, if Vienna is anything like that, I'll shoot something. Why can't we just keep a 2D core desktop with several virtual desktops with several companions [Witness Gnome & KDE]? Furthermore, what is the point of purchasing Vista if Vienna will be released, theoretically, in 2009?

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It seems the codename has been dropped... search google for "Windows 7" for details, or check out aoll the references I collected on it here: http://www.classicbeta.com/Windows:OS7

Edited by jimmsta, 12 February 2007 - 01:31 PM.

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:thumbup Microsoft's Vienna Due In 2009, Good NEWS for Windows Lovers :thumbup

The follow-up to Windows Vista should arrive in calendar year 2009

Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer has already proclaimed that there is "More where that came from" when it comes to operating systems. According to PC World, 2009 is when we can expect more "wow" from Microsoft. During that year, Microsoft is expected to release the follow-up to Windows Vista which is codenamed Vienna.

Microsoft doesn't want another repeat of the 5-year drought between the release of Windows XP and Windows Vista, so the company is accelerating its plans for its next generation operating system.

The time and effort that should have been exerted on Windows Vista were instead diverted to getting Windows XP SP2 out the door. "Then when we came back to it, we realized that there were incremental things that we wanted to do, and significant improvements that we wanted to make in Vista that we couldn't deliver in one release," said Ben Fathi, a corporate VP in Microsoft's Windows Core Operating System Division.

The lack of focus resulted in a number of features being dropped from the initial release of Windows Vista. These included WinFS, native HD DVD and FireWire-B support, enhanced speech recognition and PC-to-PC sync.

Some of these shortcomings will be addressed with the first service pack for Vista, codename Fiji. A fully realized version of WinFS, however, will likely not appear until Vienna.

Fathi declined to comment on what exactly to expect with Vienna, but simply left PC World with these musings: “We're going to look at a fundamental piece of enabling technology. Maybe its hypervisors, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's a new user interface paradigm for consumers." According to Fathi, we’ll have to stay tuned within the next few months to see what exactly Microsoft has up its sleeves for Vienna.




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