[nicke85]

Hi everybody!
I am stanch user of Microsoft Windows 98SE for a last few years.
But my PC is very low configuration for current standard and I want to buy new.
My buyers option for PC configuration is next:

WD3200KS HDD 320 GB 7200rpm / Serial ATA II 3.0Gb/s / 16MB
945GM3-F P4, INTEL 945G, S.775, Core2Duo Support,SB7.1, PCI-Ex16,4xSATAII,GLAN,DualDDRII677, USB2.0, M.ATX
PD-3.4BOX-945 CPU P Dual-Core 945 - 3.4 GHz 2 x 2Mb L2, 800MHz, S.775
TS64MLQ64V6J DDR2 512MB 240pin PC-667/CL5
TS64MLQ64V6J DDR2 512MB 240pin PC-667/CL5
100-714502 VGA PCI-E 256MB GDDR3 Radeon X800XL, All-In-Wonder, ViVO, PAL/SECAM+DVB-T, Remote Wonder, 256bit
DVR-111Bk DVD +R/-R 16x,+RW 8x, -RW 6x, +R DL 8x, CDRW 40x32x32, Double Layer, Black, bulk
[Blueberry] CN-331BKS / Miditower Case 331, 300W P4, 2xUSB+Audio, ATX, 4*5.25", 2+5*3.5", Black/Silver
LG L1970HR - flat panel display - TFT - 19"

I want to know is there any chance to install Win98se on this PC to get fully or approximately hardware support?

This post has been edited by nicke85: 19 November 2006 - 02:42 PM

[Petr]

It does not look very good.

945G chipset - my INFs will be needed but
- integrated graphics - no Win98 driver from Intel, you may get 2D driver from http://my.scitechsoft.com/
- USB 2.0 - no Win98 driver
- Sound - Realtek ALC883 - no Win98 driver
- SATA controller: no Win98 driver, can work in combined PATA compatibility mode, but not all BIOSes enable to set this mode, some of my Gigabyte boards yes, my MSI and Intel boards no, has to be verified
- LAN Controller Realtek 8110SC: driver is here: ftp://202.65.194.18/...5649_061019.zip
- Radeon X800: Catalyst® Version 6.2 for Windows ME has beta support only, I have experienced some problems with PCI-E video cards with 256 MB RAM

One comment - D945 is cheap but power hungry processor, you may consider some Core 2 Duo unless you have your own power plant.

Petr

[BenoitRen]

Nobody needs dual-core processors. Get a good single-core processor from AMD. Much cheaper than Intel, about the same quality. If possible, get an Athlon XP one. No one needs 64-bit if one isn't processing huge databases.

[RJARRRPCGP]

BenoitRen, on Nov 19 2006, 05:30 PM, said:

Nobody needs dual-core processors. Get a good single-core processor from AMD. Much cheaper than Intel, about the same quality. If possible, get an Athlon XP one. No one needs 64-bit if one isn't processing huge databases.

If you get an Athlon XP, don't get nForce-based motherboards!
It seems that the Windows 98 nForce drivers suck.

It appears that nForce 2-based motherboards require Windows NT-based Windows for them to work properly.

Most benchmarks show that my nForce2 motherboard's performance is degraded when the version of Windows isn't NT-based.

This post has been edited by RJARRRPCGP: 19 November 2006 - 08:21 PM

[LLXX]

http://www.asrock.co...ConRoe865PE.htm

[modicr]

Hello!

LLXX, on Nov 20 2006, 04:49 AM, said:

http://www.asrock.co...ConRoe865PE.htm

Quote

FSB 1066 * Supported by overclocking mode

Regards, Roman

This post has been edited by modicr: 20 November 2006 - 07:38 PM

[nicke85]

Ok thanx guys for replies!
After I were thinked about my necessity on PC...I can buy more cheaper PC configuration for my work.
945G chipset is many faster than 865 but unfortunately win98se has not drivers for it.
I can't buy ConRoe865PE motherboard but can some other with 865 chipset too.


Does this combination can fully support W98SE?

CEL 3.2BOX-352 CPU P4 Celeron D 3.20 GHz 512kb, 533MHz, S.775 82.00
RC12D281TA-32BC0550 RC512 DDRAM 512MB 184pin PC-400/CL2.5 38.00
775I65G R2.0 P4, INTEL 865G, S.775, SB5.1, VGA, AGP8x, 2xSATA, LAN, 2xDDR400, 6+2xUSB2.0, M.ATX 53.00
[Blueberry] CN-331BKS / Miditower Case 331, 300W P4, 2xUSB+Audio, ATX, 4*5.25", 2+5*3.5", Black/Silver
MX6V080E0 HDD 80 GB 7200rpm / Serial ATA / 8MB 49.00

Price is about 250e

[nicke85]

Or this one!?

HT0A33405 HDD 320 GB 7200rpm / Ultra ATA-133 / 8MB
P4-3.06BOX-524 CPU P4 524 - 3.06 GHz 1Mb, 533MHz, S.775
775TWINS-HDTV P4, ATI RADEON Xpress200, S.775, SB7.1, VGA ATI X300, PCI-E, 4xSATA RAID, LAN, 2xDDR2 + 2xDDR, M.ATX
512-667-TWI-200-U-08-H-5.0 DDR2 512MB 200pin PC-667/CL5 for NB
512-667-TWI-200-U-08-H-5.0 DDR2 512MB 200pin PC-667/CL5 for NB

[BenoitRen]

I wouldn't buy the poor man's Celeron. If you want a cheaper CPU, go AMD.
Pentium IV CPUs are expensive, but if you prefer Intel, then I can't stop you. Obviously, I'm an AMD fan.

[Lunac]

One of your video card choices might be problematic. (ATI RADEON Xpress200?) I'm not 100% sure but I believe ATI stopped supporting Windows 98/ME after they released Radeon 9800 series. According to the ATI/AMD driver page ( http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html ), Windows 98/ME is listed as Legacy, and the latest GPU supported is listed as "Radeon 9800 series". Latest driver for Windows 98/ME is dated February 9th, 2005. There is also a selection captioned "Radeon series", but this leads to that same "February 9th, 2005" driver.

There might be some 3rd party ATI drivers (enhanced/hacked/custom?) that might do the job. If not, there are plenty of nvidia cards out there for you.

[nicke85]

Lunac, on Nov 29 2006, 05:42 PM, said:

One of your video card choices might be problematic. (ATI RADEON Xpress200?) I'm not 100% sure but I believe ATI stopped supporting Windows 98/ME after they released Radeon 9800 series. According to the ATI/AMD driver page ( http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html ), Windows 98/ME is listed as Legacy, and the latest GPU supported is listed as "Radeon 9800 series". Latest driver for Windows 98/ME is dated February 9th, 2005. There is also a selection captioned "Radeon series", but this leads to that same "February 9th, 2005" driver.

There might be some 3rd party ATI drivers (enhanced/hacked/custom?) that might do the job. If not, there are plenty of nvidia cards out there for you.

Thx for this adress Lunac!There is exist ATI RADEON Xpress200 driver for W98SE and ME!lol
But driver is for integrated graphic chip on motherboard,not for standard graphic card.
It seems that ATI RADEON Xpress200 is good for W98SE because it has fully support for
DirectX 9.0c.

[rainyd]

Lunac, two things: the Catalyst 6.2 for Win98/ME was released on February 9th, 2006 and you can run also X800 family cards using this driver (beta status).
https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2...ease_notes.html

This post has been edited by rainyd: 30 November 2006 - 09:46 AM

[Lunac]

Hmm, really? On this page it says Feb. 9th 2005. http://ati.amd.com/s...onaiw-98me.html

By the way, your link doesn't work.

I've actually had experience with ATI x8xx AGP cards this past summer. I purchased both X800GTO AGP and X850XT AGP, (one after the other) on Newegg, and it was a no-go situation. (I would get blue screens on boot up, I couldn't change the refresh rates or the resolution, etc) It would only boot up properly in safe-mode. I think on the driver CDs, the driver versions were 6.2, but I never bothered to read the docs back then. People at Newegg refunded my money even though the specs for both cards said "2000/XP", no mention of other operating systems.

According to the Catalyst 6.2 PDF I've got, it does say there is beta support, but it does not mention Windows 98 explicitly, only it mentions that "Windows 98/98SE is supported through the Windows Millennium Edition driver", which from my personal experience is not true. Beta? Maybe alpha, but I was stuck in 640x480 resolution and 16 colors.

This post has been edited by Lunac: 30 November 2006 - 10:56 AM

[glocK_94]

Ati Xpress 200 is officially supported. X800 have indeed beta drivers but people have already tried it with success. WinMe/98 drivers are the same. The beta stage is probably to warn users that they won't get any support. I think somebody on this forum even made a PCI-e x800 work on Win98 but I can't remember who.

However you obviously had a bad experience. Maybe more opinions could be usefull to know if it really isn't supported correctly or if you were just unlucky with your cards.

[Lunac]

Plain X800? I don't know about that. But my X800GTO or X850XT didn't function properly, plus the X850XT's fan was stuck @ 5% (a driver issue is my guess) so it would overheat pretty quickly.

I've gone through many cards in the past 2 years, and although nvidia's drivers for 98/ME are not perfect by any means, I've never had too many problems. Other than a fan failure on my 6600GT (a card which I don't even have anymore), but I don't think drivers were to blame for that.

[Petr]

These boards (with these PCI IDs) are supported (beta) by the latest Catalyst 6.2 for Windows 9x:
Radeon X***

"RADEON X300 Series"					   = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B60
"RADEON X550"							  = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B63
"RADEON X600 Series "					  = RV370_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5B62
"RADEON X600 Series"					   = RV380_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_3E50
"RADEON X700 Series   "					= RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4A
"RADEON X700 Series  "					 = RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4B
"RADEON X700 Series"					   = RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4C
"RADEON X700 Series "					  = RV410_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5E4D
"RADEON X800 PRO/GTO"					  = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A49
"RADEON X800 Series   "					= R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A4A
"RADEON X800 Series  "					 = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A4B
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition "		 = R420_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4A50
"RADEON X800 PRO "						 = R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5549
"RADEON X800 XT Platinum Edition  "		= R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554A
"RADEON X800GT"							= R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554B
"RADEON X800 Series"					   = R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554D
"RADEON X800 XT"						   = R423_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D57
"RADEON X800 Series "					  = R430_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_554F
"RADEON X850 Series"					   = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D4D
"RADEON X800/X850 Series"				  = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D4F
"RADEON X850 Series "					  = R480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5D52
"RADEON X850 Series   "					= R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B49
"RADEON X850 Series	"				   = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B4B
"RADEON X850 Series  "					 = R481_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4B4C

and IGP:

"RADEON IGP 320"						   = A3_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4136
"RADEON IGP 340"						   = RS200_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_4137
"RADEON 9100 IGP"						  = RS300_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5834
"ATI RADEON 9000/9100  PRO IGP Series"	 = RS350_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_7834
"ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 "				   = RS400_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5A41
"ATI RADEON XPRESS 200"					= RS480_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5954
"ATI RADEON XPRESS 200 Series"			 = RS482_ENU, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_5974

Petr

[nicke85]

So Petr it mean that,
if I buy AsRock's 775TWINS-HDTV motherboard which has PCI-E slot,
than can buy later for PC upgrades...

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100-714502 VGA PCI-E 256MB GDDR3 Radeon X800XL, All-In-Wonder, ViVO, PAL/SECAM+DVB-T, Remote Wonder, 256bit

...and get fully graphic support in W98SE again!?

[nicke85]

BenoitRen, on Nov 29 2006, 04:12 PM, said:

I wouldn't buy the poor man's Celeron. If you want a cheaper CPU, go AMD.
Pentium IV CPUs are expensive, but if you prefer Intel, then I can't stop you. Obviously, I'm an AMD fan.

I think that AMD procesors are more expensive than Intel's because CPU ids are untruth.
Example some AMD CPU like

SEM2400BOX+	CPU Sempron 1.67 GHz, 256kb + 128kb, soket A

cost 82e

but Intel's CPU

CEL 3.2BOX-352	CPU P4  Celeron D 3.20 GHz 512kb, 533MHz, S.775

cost 75e

Here u can see that Celeron D on 3.2 GHz has 512Kb cache and Sempron on 1.67GHz has 384kb.
But Intel Celeron has MMX technology and its good for 32bit system.

[Lunac]

I can vouch that X800GTO and X850XT (AGP versions) do not work right under Win98SE, I tested those on both of my machines. Also, a friend of my purchased a X850Pro just last month (AGP as well), it works just fine under XP, but it didn't work under his Win98SE install/partition. He couldn't even get as far as I did. His computer would BSOD upon boot and he would have to reboot. It worked fine in safe-mode though, which is fine if you like low resolution and minimal color setup. Although, in all honesty I'm not sure which version the drivers were.

As for AMD vs Intel, well... when Intel starts making affordable AND fast CPUs again, they'll have me back as a customer. (I've been Intel free since 2002.)

Intel seems to be more concerned with marketing and their public image than actual technology. Example: Those ridiculous Intel Duo commercials with some really ugly yuppies doing some really bad dancing (on acid I presume).

If Intel spent half the cash on R&D they spend on marketing, they could do wonders.

[LeveL]

Not trying to annoy people here but why continue to use an eight year
old OS that cannot handle NTFS and cannot handle files over 4Gb?

The answer to the question of "how can Win98se run on the latest
hardware is - don't use Win98se, just use XP".

If theres any reason to continue using Win98 now we have XP, then I am all ears.