[Tomcat76]

The problems are still there when only installing .NET 3.0 from SVCPACK.INF (RogueSpear's).
Conclusion: .NET 3.0 just can't be installed at T-13.

I updated the main post and the readme file in the script package.

[S3pHiroTh]

Tomcat76, on Jan 26 2007, 12:41 AM, said:

The problems are still there when only installing .NET 3.0 from SVCPACK.INF (RogueSpear's).
Conclusion: .NET 3.0 just can't be installed at T-13.

I updated the main post and the readme file in the script package.

Ok
For HFSLIP users, can you add a directory like NET for adding 3.0 net framework that can install itself at windows first logon?

[some1]

does anyknow how I could do this will "iexpress.exe"???
Tho I must say, the program does do the trick!
worked for me
now I just got to find out, how to run it with windows setup!!!!

[darafat]

i ve tryed your tools
installed via svcpack, at T-13
result:



now i don t understand if it works or not and just appear that the framework 3.0 it s installed

note: i don't use IE7

Sorry for my bad english ^^
anyway thanks (just because it seems to work )
I was joking

great job!!

[inited]

Greetings, this is my first post (newbie alert!). Please forgive if I kind of barge in here, and also if you find this post to be in the inappropriate thread. I've been searching the forums for about a week now and, while I'm not absolutely certain to have looked everywhere proper for an answer, I can at least say I tried.

The guide to make a silent installer worked ok for me, I tested it on another computer and it worked just ok. Now, what I do want to do with this installer is integrate it in a WinXP SP2 unattended cd. The problem with this lies in the fact that I am, well, pretty much ignorant on the subject. There's nLite which is brilliant, but nLite says Dot Net can't go with hotfixes, not being, well, a hotfix. So I thought I'd ask here if an installer made through the SNM can *at all* be integrated/slipstreamed into a WinXP install disc and, if so, how. Please bear in mind that I don't know much about svcpack.inf and such, but will readily read any documentation about it if necessary. Since I'm doing pretty much everything else with nLite though, if there is indeed a way to do this I will most certainly need to know whether it must be done before or after feeding source files to nLite.

Thanks for your time in advance

Inited()

[S3pHiroTh]

I'll pm you, so we can speak italian ok? I teach you how to make an unattended install

[Tomcat76]

@darafat
.NET 3.0 breaks the WebClient service in Windows if installed at T-13 (from SVCPACK.INF). It must be installed at first GUI logon.

[darafat]

Tomcat76, on Jan 27 2007, 11:55 AM, said:

@darafat
.NET 3.0 breaks the WebClient service in Windows if installed at T-13 (from SVCPACK.INF). It must be installed at first GUI logon.

Thanks

so i must install the two output (net 1.1 and net 2.0) via svcpack, and the third output (not 3.0) via RunOnceEx

[Tomcat76]

Yes. But don't include .NET 2.0 inside .NET 3.0 in that case (it would be pointless). The latest version of SNM excludes it by default.

[S3pHiroTh]

Tomcat you should remove the option of MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=13 from this script

EDIT: Found a bug in the latest script, if I set MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=12, and I put files for all version of Net framework, silent installer for version 3.0 isn't created. In .ini file PROCESS_DNF3 is YES

This post has been edited by S3pHiroTh: 27 January 2007 - 02:28 PM

[Super-Magician]

I just tested this with the default options and everything works perfectly.

[Tomcat76]

S3pHiroTh, on Jan 27 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

Tomcat you should remove the option of MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=13 from this script

And if people want to create a complete installer they can use "normally"?

S3pHiroTh, on Jan 27 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

EDIT: Found a bug in the latest script, if I set MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=12, and I put files for all version of Net framework, silent installer for version 3.0 isn't created. In .ini file PROCESS_DNF3 is YES

This has been the case since .NET 3.0 is supported and it's intentional. You think it should be changed?

[S3pHiroTh]

Tomcat76, on Jan 28 2007, 12:20 AM, said:

S3pHiroTh, on Jan 27 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

Tomcat you should remove the option of MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=13 from this script

And if people want to create a complete installer they can use "normally"?

Maybe is better to underline in instructions that this merged installer can't be installed at T-13

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S3pHiroTh, on Jan 27 2007, 09:16 PM, said:

EDIT: Found a bug in the latest script, if I set MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=12, and I put files for all version of Net framework, silent installer for version 3.0 isn't created. In .ini file PROCESS_DNF3 is YES

This has been the case since .NET 3.0 is supported and it's intentional. You think it should be changed?

I think that if the option of .ini file is yes, the script must do what I want to do... maybe...

[XibaD]

Question... (maybe noobie one)

Since .NET 3.0 can't be installed at T-13, which folder should I put it in to be installed at first gui logon?

Thanks

[Tomcat76]

From experience, I can only speak for HFSLIP. With that program it goes in the HFGUIRUNONCE folder (supported in the current test release).

[Kiki Burgh]

hi TC! i'm going to try this over the weekend may i just ask, how big would the files be after creation & how many mbs are added to the final iso? since dotnet3 cannot be installed at t-13, happens to silent installers/addon requiring it ... does it mean that these should be installed in GUIRunOnce ... calling for these to moved over to HFGUIRUNONCE? of course, i'm using HFSLIP to do this ... he! he! (probably crying out loud that it's best to use these outputs in HFSLIP! )

This post has been edited by Kiki Burgh: 03 February 2007 - 04:08 AM

[S3pHiroTh]

Net framework 3.0 with language pack 25,9mb
Net framework 2.0 with language pack and updates 39,8mb
Net framework 1.1 with language pack and updates 11,3mb

Put net framework 1.1 and 2.0 in HFSVCPACK directory and 3.0 in HFGUIRUNONCE

[Kiki Burgh]

TC this is great! i had no problem running the script ... had to read the entire thread for info when all i had to do was just double-click the cmd ... he! he!
hi S3pHiroTh! thanks ... tried it already earlier (although i haven't created an iso yet to see the change in my iso's usual size) & here's what i found out:

Original files
DOTNETFX.EXE (23698KB)
NDP1.1sp1-KB867460-X86.exe (10453KB)
NDP1.1sp1-KB886903-X86.exe (1541KB)
dotnetfx2.exe (22960KB)
NDP20-KB917283-X86.exe (755KB)
NDP20-KB922770-X86.exe (2227KB)
dotnetfx3.exe (51534KB)
msxml6-KB927977-enu-x86.exe (889KB)

OUT1
DNF11.exe (11237KB)
DNF20.exe (38896KB)
DNF30.exe (24876KB)

OUT1 (Compressed 13)
DNF11_30.exe (72253KB)

just some clairifications...

S3pHiroTh, on Feb 4 2007, 01:32 AM, said:

Put net framework 1.1 and 2.0 in HFSVCPACK directory and 3.0 in HFGUIRUNONCE

given this setup, dotnet1 & 2 would install before 3

Tomcat76, on Jan 24 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

... it's been said a few times that .NET 3.0 won't install if you installed .NET 1.1 first without rebooting.

this one calls for placement in HFGUIRUNONCE, right?

(1) having this in _SNM.ini: MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=13 only produced DNF11_30.exe in OUT1 ... but i've seen while the script was running that it processed dotnet2 ... where'd it go? merged w/ dotnet3 1st before merging 1 & 3?
(2) what happens to those installers/add-ons that are in HFAAO/HFSVCPACK/HFSVCPACK_SW & depend on dotnet3 which is still installed during GuiRunOnce? they would not be installed then, correct? what could be the workaround for this?
(3) if i'd use only the merged (13) silent installer (still to be placed in HFGUIRUNONCE, right?), what happens to installers/add-ons in HFAAO/HFSVCPACK/HFSVCPACK_SW which depend on either dotnet1 or dotnet2?
thanks!

This post has been edited by Kiki Burgh: 04 February 2007 - 02:26 AM

[Tomcat76]

Kiki Burgh, on Feb 4 2007, 08:56 AM, said:

just some clairifications...

S3pHiroTh, on Feb 4 2007, 01:32 AM, said:

Put net framework 1.1 and 2.0 in HFSVCPACK directory and 3.0 in HFGUIRUNONCE

given this setup, dotnet1 & 2 would install before 3

Tomcat76, on Jan 24 2007, 01:04 AM, said:

... it's been said a few times that .NET 3.0 won't install if you installed .NET 1.1 first without rebooting.

this one calls for placement in HFGUIRUNONCE, right?

When installing .NET 1.1 and .NET 2.0 without rebooting in between, .NET 2.0 is not capable of identifying itself as being installed to other programs. This means that if you insist to install .NET 1.1 too, you only have three options:

Option 1:
SVCPACK = .NET 2.0 + applications that depend on .NET 2.0
first logon = .NET 3.0 extras and .NET 1.1

Option 2:
SVCPACK = .NET 1.1 and .NET 2.0
first logon = .NET 3.0 extras and any applications that depend on .NET 2.0

Option 3:
SVCPACK = .NET 2.0 + applications that depend on .NET 2.0; and way at the end .NET 1.1
first logon = .NET 3.0 extras

Note: ".NET 3.0 extras" = "Vista extensions" = .NET 3.0 without .NET 2.0

Kiki Burgh, on Feb 4 2007, 08:56 AM, said:

(1) having this in _SNM.ini: MERGE_FRAMEWORKS=13 only produced DNF11_30.exe in OUT1 ... but i've seen while the script was running that it processed dotnet2 ... where'd it go? merged w/ dotnet3 1st before merging 1 & 3?

.NET 2.0 is part of the .NET 3.0 package you download from Microsoft so I decided not to make the output file's name longer than necessary.

Kiki Burgh, on Feb 4 2007, 08:56 AM, said:

(2) what happens to those installers/add-ons that are in HFAAO/HFSVCPACK/HFSVCPACK_SW & depend on dotnet3 which is still installed during GuiRunOnce? they would not be installed then, correct? what could be the workaround for this?

If they check for it during installation they will fail to install, but I don't know of any that require the .NET 3.0 extras.

Kiki Burgh, on Feb 4 2007, 08:56 AM, said:

(3) if i'd use only the merged (13) silent installer (still to be placed in HFGUIRUNONCE, right?), what happens to installers/add-ons in HFAAO/HFSVCPACK/HFSVCPACK_SW which depend on either dotnet1 or dotnet2?

If they require .NET 1.1 they will succeed; if they require .NET 2.0 they will fail.

Options 1 and 3 as mentioned above are your best bets. Of course, you can also use Option 3 without .NET 1.1....

This post has been edited by Tomcat76: 04 February 2007 - 01:32 PM

[Kiki Burgh]

thanks TC for the clarification! i guess i'm in the right track then ... i'll be doing this when i wake up later in the day & hope all goes well when i finalize isos ... i can go home now ... you see i just waited for this