[Clint]

GoPool, on Jan 22 2007, 07:32 PM, said:

OK fellas. Does that mean that I still cannot run vista on my 512 laptop?

Absolutely, just go through the Services and do some tuning...you will be fine.

[GoPool]

Ok, So what would you suggest I take out, and what do I absolutely need? How is power management in vista?

[nuhi]

Clint, you have outdone yourself. Also when I see that you are talking around the forum that Vista installs components during install you make me warm inside.

[Clint]

nuhi, on Jan 22 2007, 07:56 PM, said:

Clint, you have outdone yourself. Also when I see that you are talking around the forum that Vista installs components during install you make me warm inside.

HAHA, you are only trying to make others to forget your stupid comments about readyboost and memoryusage with jumping on me with cheap shots...wich ofcourse also is totally wrong.
I have posted one comment about this, not talked around the forum...and it was when mentioning why you should not remove winsxs folder completely.
And there are actually a couple of things that gets "installed"...or "set"...that ARE depending on componentpackages/manifests that are residing/linked there...so I am completely accurate there as well.
link to my post:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&...st&p=615682

Clint, on Jan 21 2007, 07:19 PM, said:

Jeronimo, on Jan 21 2007, 07:04 PM, said:

@Clint
Nice, would really like to know how this was established and if this was with vLite or womething else. DId you just remove the winsxs folder or waht?

No, I did not use vLite..it's all manual work.
With Vistas imagebased setup it's really childsplay to modify the source, and the setuproutine is much easier on dependencies as well.

winsxs folder cannot be removed entirely, it holds quite a few keycomponents for both your setup and later components install.

Stop lying.


Again it's so obvious that your perception of reality is really off, you ARE NOT the "progressleader" nor the knowleadgeable mentor you are pretending to be.
You my friend are nothing but a "trial and error" dude that don't have a clue what you are talking about, simple as that.

I'm tired of you pretending, show me some numbers/facts or stop babbling. I have given you undoubtable facts and others agree, but you reply with comments like "make me warm inside"..and so on..where is the FACTS to prove your points?)

Show me facts that Readyboost takes 100MB and Prefetch takes 300MB in memoryusage alone!!!!!!!

Until you do, please keep the lid on....

This post has been edited by Clint: 22 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

[Jeronimo]

@Clint
Why are you acting as the cocky know it all?

You keep pointing out how good you are, but when people ask for guidance, then you reply with "this is not the place". Why don't you really help in what we are trying to do instead of proving you are "superiour". We are all working in one way or the other towards the same goal and in this nuhi tries to provide a tool to assist us. How his methods are, I do not care as along as the result is up to par. For me this is the case and he can indeed be off sometimes. But he does not put neon-lights on his front page stating vLite will gaining 500% performance boost and memory usage will be 2 times less. Nobody's perfect, lets just try not to prove we are right, but try to have an healthy discussion on slimming down Windows Vista.

This post has been edited by Jeronimo: 22 January 2007 - 01:34 PM

[Clint]

Jeronimo, on Jan 22 2007, 10:32 PM, said:

@Clint
Why are you acting as the cocky know it all?

You keep pointing out how good you are, but when people ask for guidance, then you reply with "this is not the place". Why don't you really help in what we are trying to do instead of proving you are "superiour". We are all working in one way or the other towards the same goal and in this nuhi tries to provide a tool to assist us. How his methods are, I do not care as along as the result is up to par. For me this is the case and he can indeed be off sometimes. But he does not put neon-lights on his front page stating vLite will gaining 500% performance boost and memory usage will be 2 times less. Nobody's perfect, lets just try not to prove we are right, but try to have an healthy discussion on slimming down Windows Vista.

Allow me to quote from his site:
http://www.vlite.net/
Looked at some stats and it turns out that when a 1GB machine is used with the Vista Lite, vLite can save you up to a 600MB ! of free space in the RAM memory compared to a full version. I find that amazing, and the general usage is much faster even on my Core 2 Duo. Not to mention the 5GB smaller install

But you are right, this is getting out of hand..and I'm tired of it.

..it all started quite some time ago when he called me a "sick old bastard" when I was asking fellow members for an old version of nLite..and deleted their posts with links...so he did actually set the level.

I'm working towards finalization of my build, still working on an a replacement firewall.
I will drop some notes on Maxxpsofts forum when I'm done.

This post has been edited by Clint: 22 January 2007 - 01:47 PM

[nuhi]

Clint, what I said about caching is true, done the tests twice, what do you want screenshots?

"it holds quite a few keycomponents for both your setup and later components install."
Means that it has few key runtime files there, which XP has too, check it before you say anything.
And later means when you select Add Features from Control panel in Vista. Not during install.

Why are you attacking me, it's your ignorance not mine.
It's only matter of time until someone else does these tests properly and confirms it.

Remember I didn't say that readyboost DRIVER takes 100MB but that on full vista cache is 100MB smaller with Windows fully booted and ReadyBoost removed. Why would I say something like that out of the blue, I saw and confirmed it.

Take a deep breath, reread and then reply, these insults are very childish and stop "describing" me.

[Clint]

nuhi, on Jan 22 2007, 11:15 PM, said:

Clint, what I said about caching is true, done the tests twice, what do you want screenshots?

"it holds quite a few keycomponents for both your setup and later components install."
Means that it has few key runtime files there, which XP has too, check it before you say anything.
And later means when you select Add Features from Control panel in Vista. Not during install.

Why are you attacking me, it's your ignorance not mine.
It's only matter of time until someone else does these tests properly and confirms it.

Remember I didn't say that readyboost DRIVER takes 100MB but that on full vista cache is 100MB smaller with Windows fully booted and ReadyBoost removed. Why would I say something like that out of the blue, I saw and confirmed it.

Take a deep breath, reread and then reply, these insults are very childish and stop "describing" me.

blabla bla bla blabla...you are still shooting air and protecting your hurted bloated ego.

Means that it has few key runtime files there, which XP has too, check it before you say anything.
And later means when you select Add Features from Control panel in Vista. Not during install.

??? ..so you are confirming my statement...or what??



There is no substance in what you are saying, you make no sense at all...

..take it like a man.

[nuhi]

I don't understand the word you just said.


here, take a look at the attachments since you are so closed minded...how can MS design it like that...uuu.

And for the future tests anyone does look at the free physical memory, I marked it on my test.
Removed ReadyBoost and SuperFetch, if you want separate tests again I'll be happy to.
This time it's 64bit vista with 1.5GB RAM.

Attached File(s)

•  full.png (315.36K)
  Number of downloads: 107
•  lite.png (296.84K)
  Number of downloads: 94

[Clint]

Jeronimo, on Jan 22 2007, 10:32 PM, said:

@Clint
Why are you acting as the cocky know it all?

You keep pointing out how good you are, but when people ask for guidance, then you reply with "this is not the place". Why don't you really help in what we are trying to do instead of proving you are "superiour". We are all working in one way or the other towards the same goal and in this nuhi tries to provide a tool to assist us. How his methods are, I do not care as along as the result is up to par. For me this is the case and he can indeed be off sometimes. But he does not put neon-lights on his front page stating vLite will gaining 500% performance boost and memory usage will be 2 times less. Nobody's perfect, lets just try not to prove we are right, but try to have an healthy discussion on slimming down Windows Vista.

I can throw you a bone for now:
If you want to brand your install, a little word after the Vista version so that everyone knows you have done it: (look at mouse pointer)


How do do this:
Open install.wim with an Hexeditor
Start from the bottom of the file and scroll upwards until you see this area: (I have entered (.C.l.i.n.t.) there, just for show)


...replace and save

[nuhi]

Are you serious? You are bragging that you know how to use imagex while dismissing the proof for what you spent my hours with your insults.

nuhi

[Clint]

nuhi, on Jan 23 2007, 01:02 AM, said:

Are you serious? You are bragging that you know how to use imagex while dismissing the proof for what you spent my hours with your insults.

I don't see any proof, just two screenshots from two different occasions.

Your word is somewhat biased here, so don't expect anyone to just buy that with a couple of dodgy screenies.

[nuhi]

Jesus...I'm off this topic, consider that however you want.

[Jeronimo]

@Clint thanks for the laughs, what is next? How to use an HexEditor? This is not a bone this is 73 74 75 70 69 64 21 21 21

[Weed]

here is another proof
with Vista x64, 1,2GB Ram
one with removed Superfetch and Readyboost other one Clean Vista

i know its easier to just point to a MS site and say: read and learn
no need to investigate ourself, just talkin and talkin bul*****

so please, just ignore Clints posts since he didnt know anything, just like to talk and nerv other ppls

but the proof is here

Attached File(s)

•  full.jpg (60.98K)
  Number of downloads: 114
•  lite.jpg (61.11K)
  Number of downloads: 98

This post has been edited by Weed: 22 January 2007 - 04:43 PM

[Jeronimo]

@weed thanks for the confirmation. Do note that without more memory in pagefile is used, so gain is not around ~250MB for you, but ~200MB.

Also I tried to disable Software Licensing, because it seems to only be required for ReadyBoost, however your control panel will not work without it (found out when accessing personalization from richt-click on desktop).

This post has been edited by Jeronimo: 22 January 2007 - 11:07 PM

[Clint]

Jeronimo, on Jan 23 2007, 01:29 AM, said:

@Clint thanks for the laughs, what is next? How to use an HexEditor? This is not a bone this is 73 74 75 70 69 64 21 21 21

I thought it was quite nice of me to tell you that one...oh well....you still amaze me.

[Jeronimo]

@Clint, morning chap. Yeah you amaze me too. Changing the installation name through Hex edit seems more like geeking, then tweaking. Maybe I would be interested in this, when all the tweaking was done (is it ever).

[Clint]

Weed, on Jan 23 2007, 01:41 AM, said:

here is another proof
with Vista x64, 1,2GB Ram
one with removed Superfetch and Readyboost other one Clean Vista

i know its easier to just point to a MS site and say: read and learn
no need to investigate ourself, just talkin and talkin bul*****

so please, just ignore Clints posts since he didnt know anything, just like to talk and nerv other ppls

but the proof is here

Man, you fanboys!

your snapshots are worth nothing...

Why are you trying to protect BS, brownnosing soemone who clearly is wrong won't get you anywhere...and he don't care either.

Now, I say this to both you and Nuhi:
If you do screenshots, take them DIRECTLY after boot!!

Why do you wait until 3min before you do it..? huh?

Nuhi did at least try to make them look alike, you are totally off though....if you compare the statusbar between thoose two you clearly see what you have been doing.

bah..

And I still wanna see that removing Readyboost alone will save 100MB in memoryusage...

Weed, on Jan 23 2007, 01:41 AM, said:

here is another proof
with Vista x64, 1,2GB Ram
one with removed Superfetch and Readyboost other one Clean Vista

i know its easier to just point to a MS site and say: read and learn
no need to investigate ourself, just talkin and talkin bul*****

so please, just ignore Clints posts since he didnt know anything, just like to talk and nerv other ppls

but the proof is here

are you serious?
You think posting a couple of dodgy snapshots is a more valid argument than referring to Microsofts own?...jeesas!



...for some reason the ppl here with knowledge has choosen not to even bother to dig into this dispute...now why is that?

This post has been edited by Clint: 23 January 2007 - 12:05 AM

[Clint]

Jeronimo, on Jan 23 2007, 08:13 AM, said:

@Clint, morning chap. Yeah you amaze me too. Changing the installation name through Hex edit seems more like geeking, then tweaking. Maybe I would be interested in this, when all the tweaking was done (is it ever).

Well, to be honest it was more of a hint to Nuhi..he do put Vlite when you are using his app

It sure is a geeky thing...mind you I said I put it there for you to see...ok?

Oh, and talking about geeky...using ASCII Hex to state "Stupid!!!" ..like you did...aint that the geekiest of all...haha!

...you ppl here.

This post has been edited by Clint: 23 January 2007 - 12:25 AM