[whitehorses]

I had this problem for a long time occasionaly, but always when I used hfcleanup. Now I have found out that these occasions are when I use Oleg's 2000-only removal files.

Since I choose to delete catalog files, and FDVs fileset provides the modified SFC.DLL and such, I don't see why does this happen. If I don't Use HFCLEANUP or (now I know) if I just don't use Olegs files, these popups won't appear.

These are the entries which are removed from syssetup.inf
NT5.CAT
NT5PRTX.CAT
CJIME.CAT
MQEXCHNG.CAT
PHIME.CAT
PYIME.CAT
SCRDBCAT.CAT
HPCRDP.CAT
MW770.CAT
IASNT4.CAT
SP4.CAT

Any ideas/suggestions?

NOTE 0: I use W2K (as always)
NOTE 1: I use FDV fileset (as always)
NOTE 2: I use DX9 (as always)
NOTE 3: I use basic hotfixes, nothing more (as always)

This post has been edited by whitehorses: 01 February 2007 - 11:21 AM

[Oleg_II]

whitehorses
I use the same removers as you (maybe just 3-5 more files deleted since then) and don't have this issue

I'm writing from the computer where the system was installed from HFSLIPed source + my reducers There was no complain about missing files during installation and later.

The only reason I can think about is: you add FDV's set after including my files - I canged a few things in there and it's better to add my files after FDV's fileset in order not to replaced changed files.

This post has been edited by Oleg_II: 01 February 2007 - 10:17 AM

[whitehorses]

I must make another test... maybe I made something wrong, sorry

[Oleg_II]

It also may have some influence from hardware but I tried it on 5 complitelly different computers and it worked smoothly.

Only one note - I include video adapter driver in my installation - if it is not in the distribution the setup proccess asks about a couple of files to add. I don't remember if I excluded these files from reducers in the package.

Try arrange all folders and put all needed files in them including FDV's fileset. And only after that, just before running HFSLIP.CMD, put the reducers and included files in (there should be some files in separate folders in package). If it asks about replacing files just agree and replace them.

This post has been edited by Oleg_II: 01 February 2007 - 10:23 PM

[dirtwarrior]

Hey Oleg using all the reducers what is the iso size? What is the comitt?
Joe

[Oleg_II]

dirtwarrior
I add a lot of other stuff in i386 folder too so it's difficult to say how big it is "clean". Let me guess: mine is about 104MB with USP5.02, DirectX9C and all that stuff (Chinese language support in LANG folder takes 14MB so I think it would be about 80MB of Windows files only.

As for commit it's about 30MB without drivers and RAM disk. But when I add drivers and RAM disk it's about 65MB. And of course when I run programs it increases too.

This post has been edited by Oleg_II: 02 February 2007 - 12:15 AM

[whitehorses]

Oleg2
Hmm... are you saying there are new filesets?

Where can they be obtained, the ones on hfslip.org are the same as I use.

This post has been edited by whitehorses: 02 February 2007 - 05:00 AM

[dirtwarrior]

I got mine to around 85 mb iso. Comitt was also around 30 mb.
I havnt been modding fo a while, started a new job.

[Camarade_Tux]

Know that one.

I only have experience with XP but afaik this is not specific to it. If I delete some of these files, setup complains right after the first GUI boot. But I found a workaround. Of course, there are some differences since I use nlite for component removal and XP but here is a part of my post-nlite batch script:

REM creates an empty SP1.cat
@_ > SP1.cat
@_ > SP2.cat
@_ > STSWEB.CAT
@_ > MAPIMIG.CAT
@_ > IASNT4.CAT
@_ > HPCRDP.CAT
@_ > OSCCAB.CAT

del STSWEB.CA_
del MAPIMIG.CA_
del IASNT4.CA_
del HPCRDP.CA_
del OSCCAB.CA_

At first I thought setup would never use these files but it does. And since I use fdv's sfc[files].dll I thought that the files were maybe loaded but anyway, windows would never go through them.
And it works.
Btw, don't try to compress the files. They are empty so compressing them would only make them bigger.

And also, cat files removal normally only applies to cat files inside SVCPACK. ; )

[Oleg_II]

whitehorses

whitehorses, on Feb 2 2007, 05:00 AM, said:

the ones on hfslip.org are the same as I use.

If you are using removers from there it's probably not my set I didn't know it is on HFSLIP.ORG I thought there are general removers on the site only. Could you give me the link where you downloaded the set?

dirtwarrior
So we have the same results

Camarade_Tux
Interesting method we have here

This post has been edited by Oleg_II: 02 February 2007 - 07:41 AM

[whitehorses]

@Oleg
here's the link: http://www.hfslip.org/advanced.html

@Tux
But why others never experiance this, just you and me? What are those cat files by the way exactly.
I don't know... I'd like to finaly understand why this hfcleanup never works for me.

[dirtwarrior]

I probally used your file set too. No issues with missing files here. Do you have a reducer a little more agressive?
DW

[Camarade_Tux]

whitehorses, on Feb 2 2007, 03:42 PM, said:

@Tux
But why others never experiance this, just you and me? What are those cat files by the way exactly.
I don't know... I'd like to finaly understand why this hfcleanup never works for me.

Don't know, computer mystery. Maybe an OEM CD ?
And also, nlite only removes NTPRINT.CAT when print support is being removed (this one contains driver signatures). CAT files that are direclty in i386 are generally left untouched.

[whitehorses]

@Oleg

Can you explain the differences between your fileset and tommyp's? Is that the mini2.zip? or there is a newer "version".

This post has been edited by whitehorses: 02 February 2007 - 03:39 PM

[tommyp]

I think I can answer this one. While Oleg2 was away (remember he hasn't been to the board in about 10 months), I grabbed the reigns and added some reducers. I kind of thought Oleg lost interest in this stuff, and there was some reduction needed. I compliled the cleaners and have them on the hfslip site. I'm working on some more, but I'm not having much luck with getting them XP friendly. Maybe I have a weird hotfix or something....

[whitehorses]

Hi TP!

Would you check this thing for me:
- OSOptions_MSTask deletes lines in fdvs ie.inf, but makes reverse effect than what it should, because those entries are in the del.reg section. same is the problem with ZZ_IE1 and 2, and two others, but MSTask makes a very strange effect: in control panel a "ghost" folder of the task scheduler appears. It looks like a normal folder, only the popup description says it's task scheduler. Doubleclicking does nothing of course.

Am I correct?

This post has been edited by whitehorses: 03 February 2007 - 02:48 AM

[tommyp]

I know exactly what you are talking about with the "dummy" icon in control panel when removing mstask. Tinkering with that INF was pretty tricky (I don't use the existing 2k ie.inf). Which string of characters shouldn't be removed?

If it means anything, the following strings are only in the IE.INF file (reg add sections)
CLSID_MSTASK
CC2A9BA0-3BDD-11D0-821E-444553540000

The SchedulingAgent string is in IE.INF (reg add section) and wkstamig.inf. The latter file really doesn't matter, it looks like it is for an upgrade or something non important.

In either case, only the original ie.inf has these reg add sections. FDV's ie.inf just moves it to the delete section so it can't get installed anyway. He could have just deleted those lines instead.

If it means anything & if I remember correctly, if you run that mstask inf, and reboot, the dead control panel icon will be fixed. That was tricky to find/fix at one time.

This post has been edited by tommyp: 02 February 2007 - 05:54 PM

[Kiki Burgh]

tommyp, on Feb 3 2007, 05:52 AM, said:

I'm working on some more, but I'm not having much luck with getting them XP friendly.

been eagerly waiting for this ...

[whitehorses]

tommyp, on Feb 3 2007, 12:52 AM, said:

I know exactly what you are talking about with the "dummy" icon in control panel when removing mstask. Tinkering with that INF was pretty tricky (I don't use the existing 2k ie.inf). Which string of characters shouldn't be removed?

What I'm thinking of is the additional inf file. I think that's the only thing there which could cause a behavior like this. Maybe not. I need a bit more time to see trough that.

[tommyp]

@whitehorses - All seems to work well with ie6/dx9/hfcleanup. I haven't thorougly tested with FDV's fileset. Pls report any findings.

@kiki - I think nlite is easier to use instead of hfcleanup. I don't have time to tame the XP beast tame.