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NVidia drivers 82.69

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I've just bought a MSI Geforce 7600GT 512MB AGP Silent for my Win98se/WinXP dual boot system. The drivers work well with Win98se except 3 points:

1. In display properties, the tab says "Nvidia (unknown)", but if you actually press the tab to go deeper to the properties it recognizes it properly as 7600GT, isn't it curious? Anyway, it is just a cosmetic issue...

2. The only REAL issue: The system hangs during shut-down... Isn't there anything it can be done about this? It is said that the last driver which let the system shut-down correctly is 77.72. Can't we find out which .dll or .vxd or anything is the cause of the problem in 82.69 and try to exchange it with the same one of the 77.72 driver and see if this eliminates the problem, IF the drivers allow this exchange of course and not cause more problems?...

3. My solution is to re-boot instead of shut-down and then boot WinXP (I use Partition Magic's Boot Magic) and later shut-down from WinXP. BUT: occasionally I've noticed that I can't even re-boot from Win98se (the system hangs as well)!

If you could find out and correct the shut-down and sometimes re-boot problem (it ocurred with 81.69 and my old Geforce2 MX 400 too) the drivers would be simple PERFECT!

I even tried to modify 77.72 by adding the appropriate strings for Geforce 7600GT in the .inf file (VERY CAREFULLY) to make them work with my card, but I couldn't... And even if I could make 77.72 to work with my card, I don't know if they would support wide resolutions since my monitor uses 1680x1050 (82.69 work perfectly!)

Anyway I have to say a big THANK YOU for your drivers! I'm not asking for more, I just wrote my experience, although I'll always hope for the correction of the problems I (and most others) mentioned.

P.S.: The shut-down patch from Microsoft doesn't correct the problem, I had it already installed.

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A 512MB video card is not recommended for Win9x (except maybe for WinME), as debated around.

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I have the same problem except mine doesnt hang while restarting, so I shut it down by pressing the power button after the keyboard blinks. (7900GS 256MB)

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I can also re-start normally. Only rare the system hangs while re-starting as well.

There is not any problem with 512MB video RAM in Win98se! I don't know where this was mentioned and everybody is still writing about this! Maybe because of the problem of 512MB system RAM in Win98se, when if you install more you have to limit vcache. But all this has nothing to do with video RAM...

Anyway my system has 512MB of system RAM as well (it is max for my 815 chipset), and apart from the shut-down problem it works very well! I even played a few games for hours and there was no problem at all! Where do you thing the 512MB of video RAM should give me a problem?

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I can also re-start normally. Only rare the system hangs while re-starting as well.

There is not any problem with 512MB video RAM in Win98se! I don't know where this was mentioned and everybody is still writing about this! Maybe because of the problem of 512MB system RAM in Win98se, when if you install more you have to limit vcache. But all this has nothing to do with video RAM...

Anyway my system has 512MB of system RAM as well (it is max for my 815 chipset), and apart from the shut-down problem it works very well! I even played a few games for hours and there was no problem at all! Where do you thing the 512MB of video RAM should give me a problem?

I can also confirm no problem with 512MB of video RAM on win98SE (using GEForce 6200/512MB).

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i know i uesd to get the hang on shut down when i uesd win me with a geforce 4 mx 440 se pci 64mb

the way i fixed it was going into start and then run and then typed msconfig and then went to the eirvonment tab and turned off every thing there

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Cannot find any Environment tab in Win98SE's MSCONFIG.

However, while there, try to mark Disable fast shutdown in General > Advanced, see if it helps.

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There is not any problem with 512MB video RAM in Win98se! I don't know where this was mentioned and everybody is still writing about this! Maybe because of the problem of 512MB system RAM in Win98se, when if you install more you have to limit vcache. But all this has nothing to do with video RAM...

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I can also confirm no problem with 512MB of video RAM on win98SE (using GEForce 6200/512MB).

The problem with 512MiB of Video RAM occurs when there is 1GiB or more of system RAM.

It would appear, at least with AGP cards, that the entire video RAM is mapped as a frame buffer into the top 1GiB of address space.

This space is also used for the AGP aperture, and the VCache among other functions.

Also in this space is the VMM page table - this grows proportional to the amount of system RAM.

Obviously the AGP Aperture and VCache must be reduced, but somewhere at or over 1GiB of system RAM, there is no more address space for 512MiB of video RAM...

I'm not sure how a PCIe card would compare here since they don't use the AGP Aperture...

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There is not any problem with 512MB video RAM in Win98se! I don't know where this was mentioned and everybody is still writing about this! Maybe because of the problem of 512MB system RAM in Win98se, when if you install more you have to limit vcache. But all this has nothing to do with video RAM...

...

I can also confirm no problem with 512MB of video RAM on win98SE (using GEForce 6200/512MB).

The problem with 512MiB of Video RAM occurs when there is 1GiB or more of system RAM.

It would appear, at least with AGP cards, that the entire video RAM is mapped as a frame buffer into the top 1GiB of address space.

This space is also used for the AGP aperture, and the VCache among other functions.

Also in this space is the VMM page table - this grows proportional to the amount of system RAM.

Obviously the AGP Aperture and VCache must be reduced, but somewhere at or over 1GiB of system RAM, there is no more address space for 512MiB of video RAM...

I'm not sure how a PCIe card would compare here since they don't use the AGP Aperture...

Thanks for the additional info. BTW I'm using 1GB of RAM, so I guess it must be 'over' to cause the problem you mentioned.

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Cannot find any Environment tab in Win98SE's MSCONFIG.

However, while there, try to mark Disable fast shutdown in General > Advanced, see if it helps.

Shouldnt it be here ?

fast_sht922.png

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Yes, that's where the fast shutdown option should be. Odd that it's not there for you. :-/

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Spread Spectrum option has absolutelly nothing to do with memory mapping or so. This is option for clock generator. Spread spectrum means that PLL clock chip will produce clock signals with smoother edges to minimize EMI radiation from mainboard but it can affect system stability esp. on overclocked systems. So I always disable it. It was just coincidence that it made your vga working.

You are right, infact I had a BIOS reset due to battery fault, and I set again spread spectrum but my VGA didn't work.

So I had to tamper (by chance) for half an hour with the BIOS settings to get it work again. I don't remember all the items I changed, but I tried also with "pallette snooping", "assign IRQ to VGA", "PnP OS", "agp aperture size" and others.... I don't know wich one is the key, but I hope it can be useful for someone: try and try again.

About the matter of the 512MB Video ram, I can confirm my vga (AGP) worked either with 512MB or 1GB of (System) RAM.

I still have the shutdown problem, but now turned strange: my pc always restarts, even if I choose shut down! But in any case at restart it say it hasn't been closed properly and checks HD for errors... but i can survive with this :hello:

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Cannot find any Environment tab in Win98SE's MSCONFIG.

However, while there, try to mark Disable fast shutdown in General > Advanced, see if it helps.

Shouldnt it be here ?

fast_sht922.png

Extrahuj si originální soubor MSCONFIG.EXE z instalačky windows 98 SE (Win98_44.cab / 4.10.1998 / 69632 bajtů)

místo oficiální novější Made in Microsoft (4.10.2223 z 22.9.1999 / 60.416 bajtů)

Jen nevím, co všechno opravuje, nicméně ta volba u té původní je. Tu novější zanesl oficiální update souborem 4756cs8.exe (Modul pro vypnutí systému Windows 98 Druhé vydání), kde je vypnutí windows již ošetřeno a bez možnosti volby.

(Sorry czech language.....)

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Tried that, when I opened the older Msconfig, the option was already checked and it didnt help ... as I expected. Never mind, I got used to restart the PC instead of shutting it down. Theres no doubt, those drivers are buggy. :wacko:

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Hi all,

Since BFG support has been less than helpful, maybe somebody here can tell me what I'm doing wrong (or not doing right). I've read everything in this thread and nothing I tried has worked so far. I have both a BFG 7800 GS OC 256MB AGP and an ASUS 7600GS 256M AGP video cards in the hopes of using them in my Win98SE boxes. But so far I've tried them with five different motherboards and with fresh installs (format C: and install OS off of CD) of Win98SE (and one with WinME) and I can't get them to work. I've tried the following, all fresh installs (so I've tried at least 48 fresh installs with no success), and I always get the same results:

ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 (VIA PT880 Pro/Ultra) 512MB

Samsung SyncMaster 225BW (with drivers not installed)

Each time a fresh install of Win98SE (with MaxPhysPage and MaxFileCache settings for 512MB RAM)

VIA Version - 5.22A (tried installing before the Forceware, and tried installing both before AND after the Forceware)

Forceware - 82.16(BFG)

DirectX - not installed

Asus K8V-X SE (VIA K8T800) 512MB

NEC MultiSync LCD2080UX (with drivers not installed)

Each time a fresh install of Win98SE (with MaxPhysPage and MaxFileCache settings for 512MB RAM)

VIA Version - 4.56v, and 5.10A (tried installing before the Forceware, and tried installing both before AND after the Forceware)

Forceware - 82.16(BFG), 82.69(MDGx)

DirectX - not installed

ASRock 775V88 (VIA PT880) 512MB

Samsung SyncMaster 225BW (with drivers both installed and not)

Each time a fresh install of Win98SE (both with MaxPhysPage and MaxFileCache settings for 512MB RAM and without)

VIA Version - 4.53v, 4.56v, 5.07A, and 5.13A

Forceware - 82.16(BFG), 82.69(MDGx), 82.69(ZakMcKracken), 81.98(modded for GeForce 7x cards)

DirectX - 9.0c (sometimes installed before the Forceware, and sometimes after)

ASRock K8S8X (SiS 755) 512MB

NEC MultiSync LCD2080UX (with drivers both installed and not)

Each time a fresh install of Win98SE (both with MaxPhysPage and MaxFileCache settings for 512MB RAM and without)

SiS AGP(GART) Driver v1.09f, v1.17, v1.17e, v1.19a, and v1.21

Forceware - 82.16(BFG), 82.69(MDGx), 82.69(ZakMcKracken), 81.98(modded for GeForce 7x cards)

DirectX - 9.0c (sometimes installed before the Forceware, and sometimes after)

EPoX 8KRAI PRO (VIA KT880) 512MB

Optiquest Q71 (with drivers both installed and not)

Each time a fresh install of Win98SE and also tried with fresh installs of WinME (both with MaxPhysPage and MaxFileCache settings for 512MB RAM and without)

VIA Version - 4.53v, 4.56v, 5.07A, and 5.09A

Forceware - 82.16(BFG), 82.69(MDGx), 82.69(ZakMcKracken), 81.98(modded for GeForce 7x cards)

DirectX - 9.0c (sometimes installed before the Forceware, and sometimes after)

No matter how I try the install I always have the same problem, after installing the Forceware and letting it reboot, the system hangs when trying to enter Windows GUI mode. You have to power cycle the system, boot into safe mode, reboot, and you are back to the default generic VGA drivers. Tried to install Forceware again a couple of times in case it would "take" if installed twice in a row but same results. At least once with each system tried to do a clean install exactly following the directions that came with the BFG card, to no avail. I've also tried installing with different BIOS settings, for example installing with AGP 1X, all safe settings, etc.

One consistent thing I've noticed is that I never see the nVIDIA BIOS message on the screen before the system BIOS splash screen with either card like I always see with my 6200, 6600 and 6800 cards--is that normal for the 7600 and 7800???

Can this be made to work under Win98SE?

I hope you will have some advice on what I can do to get this to work.

Thanks,

Feamane

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No matter how I try the install I always have the same problem, after installing the Forceware and letting it reboot, the system hangs when trying to enter Windows GUI mode. You have to power cycle the system, boot into safe mode, reboot, and you are back to the default generic VGA drivers. Tried to install Forceware again a couple of times in case it would "take" if installed twice in a row but same results. At least once with each system tried to do a clean install exactly following the directions that came with the BFG card, to no avail. I've also tried installing with different BIOS settings, for example installing with AGP 1X, all safe settings, etc.

I see your motherboards are all based on Via/Sis chipset: those chipset are known for problems particularly with AGP cards, even if officially supported by drivers; I had a Biostar (oem) based on Via and I couldn't install ANY card, neither Nvidia nor Ati, so I had to buy an Intel based Asus that's the one I'm still using (in my sign). I don't know about Sis, but it's even less common... My only advice is try with an Intel based MoBo, and even with it it could be not easy at all. In my experience older are better: I had no problems with Intel 845 chipset, while some more with 865, maybe only luck.

One consistent thing I've noticed is that I never see the nVIDIA BIOS message on the screen before the system BIOS splash screen with either card like I always see with my 6200, 6600 and 6800 cards--is that normal for the 7600 and 7800???

Do you mean the 6xxx series worked on those motherboards with win98? You were lucky, I tried with a 6600 but I told what happened...

I've tried the following, all fresh installs (so I've tried at least 48 fresh installs with no success), and I always get the same results

Last advice: don't waste your time with fresh installs, just tamper... :D

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HI,

Ya, they're all VIA except for the one oddball SiS because up until now I've had very good sucess with GeForce 6xxx cards and Win98 on them. Except for the ASRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0, all these systems are all working fine as Win98SE boxes, some even with SATA drives. The older ones I had and the newer ones I got after reading the other thread about 98 on newer mobos.

I thought reading through the thread that some of the people who got 7xxx cards to work with Win98 had VIA chipsets, can anybody confirm that??? I'm really curious what the people who have gotten a 7xxx card to work did different than me....

Thanks,

Feamane

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I'm cross-quoting this post because I think it may help solve some of the problems reported in this thread.

I have developed a Patch that should allow the use of 512MB Graphics Cards with Windows 9X.

I do not have a Card to test.

If anyone has a 512MB Graphics Card and a Windows 9X driver for it, and is interested in doing some testing, contact me at rloew@hotmail.com

I don't have a suitable video card either, if I did I'd be quite glad to test the patch myself.
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I'm cross-quoting this post because I think it may help solve some of the problems reported in this thread.
I have developed a Patch that should allow the use of 512MB Graphics Cards with Windows 9X.

I do not have a Card to test.

If anyone has a 512MB Graphics Card and a Windows 9X driver for it, and is interested in doing some testing, contact me at rloew@hotmail.com

I don't have a suitable video card either, if I did I'd be quite glad to test the patch myself.

Dear dencorso,

I've got a MSI Geforce 7600GT 512MB AGP Silent for my Win98se/WinXP dual boot system. Although there is not any problem with 512MB Video RAM and Win98se (there is actually a problem with MORE than 512MB SYSTEM Ram), I would like to try your patch, just to see if it cures my ONLY problem with Win98: the system hanging during shut-down!

Although I know that this issue is related to the drivers and not just the hacked ones (82.69) which I need for my 7600 and wide 1680x1050 monitor resolution... It is related to any driver above the official 77.72, even with official nvidia ones!

I mean I had exactly the same problem with my old Geforce2 MX 400 32MB VRAM when used official 81.69 (hanging during shut-down). When used official 77.72, I had no shut-down issues. So, after upgrading to a 7600GT 512MB and to the hacked 82.69, things didn't get worse; just the same old problem.

During normal use and even hard games use I have no issue. Anyway what is the issue with the 512MB VRAM you are saying? What is the exact effect? Slow-downs? Hangings? Display corruptions? How can I reproduce it (since I don't observe any issue - except form the shut-down hanging)? You should know exactly since you wrote a patch, don't you?

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You should know exactly since you wrote a patch, don't you?
No, I didn't. Read again the quoted text in your own post. It's RLoew's patch we're talking about. I just quoted him here because his original post about it was in the Compatible Hardware with Windows 9x, and I thought it belonged here also. In that I was right, because you noticed it here, not there. Now, I have 3 GiB of RAM in my machine, but only a Geforce2 MX 400 32MB VRAM. So I've never encoutered the issue myself. But you can find it referenced along this selfsame thread, many times. AFAIK, what happens is the system does not finish booting up. Now, if you're willing to test the patch, you'll need to add more RAM. And I think this issue is not related to the hanging shut-down. In any case, to test the patch you should contact RLoew either by PM or by e-mail to the address indicated in his original post. Edited by dencorso
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You should know exactly since you wrote a patch, don't you?
No, I didn't. Read again the quoted text in your own post. It's RLoew's patch we're talking about. I just quoted him here because his original post about it was in the Compatible Hardware with Windows 9x, and I thought it belonged here also. In that I was right, because you noticed it here, not there. Now, I have 3 GiB of RAM in my machine, but only a Geforce2 MX 400 32MB VRAM. So I've never encoutered the issue myself. But you can find it referenced along this selfsame thread, many times. AFAIK, what happens is the system does not finish booting up. Now, if you're willing to test the patch, you'll need to add more RAM. And I think this issue is not related to the hanging shut-down. In any case, to test the patch you should contact RLoew either by PM or by e-mail to the address indicated in his original post.

I see... Now I can't test the patch either. You see I have 512MB system RAM which is the maximum for my Intel 815EP chipset...

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Well, after a lot of trouble getting an un-corrupted NV8269 driver set, there wre oter problems.

Installing it came up with the following absurdity: "no NVIDIA chip found".

But the ASUS motherboard M2N-MX SE Plus has an on-board video NVIDIA chip, and the video board i am using also uses an NVIDIA chip!

So i decided to ignore that and use the Control Panel Display Advanced section and select the driver OR did i try "add new hardware" (so long ago i do not remember); got the message again.

Forcing useage of the driver gives a lot of grief: 640x480 16 colors AT BEST!

Patched registry to read Windows XP and 5.10.2600 everywhere appropiate.

Installed Unicows.DLL and registered it

Installed KernelEX

Modified \Bootsec.DOS (to read MSWIN 5.1 and WIN XP)

Modified \MSDOS.SYS (to read MSWIN 5.1)

Modified \Windows\Winver.exe (to read 5.10.6200 and Windows XP in 2 places)

Modified \Windows\W98setup.bin (to read 5.10.6200 in 2 places)

Modified \Windows\Command.com

*Negative effect: MSDOS shell doesn't work (because KernelEx eates conventional memory, i think).

Even after all of that, sysinfo gives: Microsoft Windows XP 4.10.2222 A

And the ASUS motherboard CD barfs complaining about "WIN_4.11".

So, how the heck do i fix it?

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Well I don't think you can install drivers for a Socket AM2+ with nVidia chipset on 98/ME at all but it is interesting enough to know you can actually install and run the OS on it.

Perhaps you could report in this thread as well :

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=97588

As for the graphic card have you tried the drivers posted in the first post ?

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Which driver do you use for the ACPI?

The default driver win 98 installs on computers with an nforce 4 chipset causes a crash.

Without a driver windows fails to see a lot of you computers devices. (probably including your graphics card)

You should Use the plug and play Bios (fail safe) driver for the ACPI bios.

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Do not know about ACPI drivers, first i heard that they might be useful or even needed.

The Win98 install was done with a different, much older board (and CPU), and it would be big time (a number of daze) to re-install as i would have to start from scratch: blank HD, install Win98SE with upteen programs, then Win2K and its umpteen programs, and try to get all the personal data (larger yet) across; ain't gonna happen.

Device manager has two "motherboard resources" (really useful and helpful and complete info, eh?) as not satisfied, default works for monitor; am using a universal VBE9x driver for VESA mode 103 (600x800 256 colors) as the best found that actually works ("VBE MiniPort" by Anapa Corp).

Does NOT work: UNIVBE.DRV - Win98SE continuously beeps at load and then freezes; muchly UNrecommended!

My PCIE video board is the NVIDIA GeForce 8400GS; i have no clue as to the equivalent NVIDIA chip number on the motherboard.

Sound does not work; the RealTek ALC662 chip drivers for older OSes are conspicusly absent (the ADS PTV-390 Conexant driver is also for "modern" OSes).

Forgive me but i have really messy notes; things scratched out, notes added thenscrached, etc - BUT somewhere i got what seemed to be a proper driver for use in Win98SE; the Wdm_a406.exe which runs and *looks* like it installs.

Other than that, it DOES NOTHING.

Cannot say anything about the ethernet port; cannot test it as have no hardware for that.

USB works except for a very wierd Verbatim "drive", the version i have was unique of 20 or so that are of identical type and name by them; used a universal "stack" program called "nusb32e.exe" which works like a charm.

*

Sorry about all of the info, but i think that others using Win98SE might want to know about possible options.

**

Meanwhile, how do i get KernelEx to work? (and test it)

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