[streetlethal]

glocK_94, on Jun 7 2007, 01:14 PM, said:

streetlethal, on Jun 7 2007, 06:10 PM, said:

I'm running a 7600GT AGP and have a dual boot ME/XP and I installed the drivers linked to in this thread for Windows ME. They installed fine but I noticed that ME would not shut down properly with these installed. It would hang permanently. It reboots fine. I know it's these drivers because I did have a GF5900 and it would always shutdown. I don't game in Windows ME at all, I use XP for that so I can't say how they perform. But the shutdown hang is definitely an issue.

Yeah, I get that as well. However, that's not this specific driver's fault since I had the same problem with 81.93 before. It's present in all latest 9x drivers.

I was using the last official drivers for Win9x(81.98) off the Nvidia site previously with my 5900, no shutdown problems at all.

[MDGx]

streetlethal, on Jun 7 2007, 11:17 AM, said:

I was using the last official drivers for Win9x(81.98) off the Nvidia site previously with my 5900, no shutdown problems at all.

All NVidia drivers I've tried shut down properly.

But 81.95, 81.98 + 82.69 do not allow to restart Windows [by running WIN.COM], after closing Windows to native DOS [C:\ prompt].

[MDGx]

plonkeroo, on Jun 6 2007, 04:27 PM, said:

@ MDGx - On booting on, as systray is loading I've recently been getting a momentary black screen followed by a judder before loading resumes. I've made things easy on the Desk Manager by removing multiple users and multiple desktops options yet this phenomenon persists.

This may be due to your monitor changing resolutions/frequencies on-the-fly.
Between resolutions, some monitors may make noises/clicks and/or display a black screen for a fraction of a second.

This depends on monitor brand, manufacturer and/or model.
Some are better than others.

This is characteristic mostly to CRTs.

HTH

[streetlethal]

MDGx, on Jun 7 2007, 01:23 PM, said:

streetlethal, on Jun 7 2007, 11:17 AM, said:

I was using the last official drivers for Win9x(81.98) off the Nvidia site previously with my 5900, no shutdown problems at all.

All NVidia drivers I've tried shut down properly.

But 81.95, 81.98 + 82.69 do not allow to restart Windows [by running WIN.COM], after closing Windows to native DOS [C:\ prompt].

Actually all the drivers I tried for Windows ME shutdown properly....except these. Granted I only used official drivers from Nvidia with my GF5900. What i'm saying is I know it's not a problem with my Windows ME install. It never had a problem shutting down in the past until now, surprisingly.

This post has been edited by streetlethal: 07 June 2007 - 12:10 PM

[MDGx]

streetlethal, on Jun 7 2007, 12:09 PM, said:

Actually all the drivers I tried for Windows ME shutdown properly....except these. Granted I only used official drivers from Nvidia with my GF5900. What i'm saying is I know it's not a problem with my Windows ME install. It never had a problem shutting down in the past until now, surprisingly.

I guess NVidia rushed these drivers out the door [the problem is there may not be others, they stopped development for 9x OSes], without making sure compatibility with all API functions on all 98/ME OSes.

Personal preference:
I still like 82.69 better because they support more resolutions/frequencies and widescreen monitors.

[vbdasc]

I installed the 82.69mod drivers on a Windows 98 SE. For now, all seems to work (relatively) fine. The system is:
CPU Athlon64 3200+ @2400MHz
RAM 1Gb
MoBo Epox EP-9NDA3J (NForce3 Ultra, AGP slot, s.939)
GPU Geforce 7600GT AGP 256Mb @ 560/1450

Just a few notes:
1. The setup program refuses to install the drivers. It justs tells me I don't have a supported video card and exits. I had to install the drivers manually (by unpacking, then selecting "Have disk" etc.)
2. Pixel shaders 2.0 did not work initially. I used 3dMark03 for testing and the Mother Nature Test and the PS2.0 test (the elephant/rhino one) either locked the computer or produced severe visual anomalies (such as the elephant being black). However, after I installed the last (october 2006) DirectX 9.0c version (was 9.0b before that) and the 2.1a service pack, the problem went away.
3. Yes, I can't shutdown the computer anymore too!
4. In 2D all is fine. The 3D performance looks not quite bad - I was able to reach 12800 in 3dMark03 vs about 13100 in Windows XP SP2 (on the same machine). I played Unreal Tournament for quite some time and didn't have any problems. However, UT2003 seems to me a bit slow. Still playable, just a bit slow. I'll see into it later, maybe I will be able to fix it.

This post has been edited by vbdasc: 15 June 2007 - 10:54 AM

[Tihiy]

In latest NVidia drivers, i experienced bad performance in 3D and movie playing until
- i switched "monitor synchronization" from auto to something else
This may help.

[EGOvoruhk]

I just installed a brand new XFX 7600GT, and when running the NV8269.EXE setup I get

Quote

Setup was unable to locate any NVIDIA graphics chips on this system

Nvidia's drivers installed fine on my XP partition. Anyone have any idea what's up?

[rainyd]

EGOvoruhk, look at vbdasc post.

[shaddam]

vbdasc, on Jun 15 2007, 10:48 AM, said:

I installed the 82.69mod drivers on a Windows 98 SE. For now, all seems to work (relatively) fine. The system is:
CPU Athlon64 3200+ @2400MHz
RAM 1Gb
MoBo Epox EP-9NDA3J (NForce3 Ultra, AGP slot, s.939)
GPU Geforce 7600GT AGP 256Mb @ 560/1450

Just a few notes:
1. The setup program refuses to install the drivers. It justs tells me I don't have a supported video card and exits. I had to install the drivers manually (by unpacking, then selecting "Have disk" etc.)
2. Pixel shaders 2.0 did not work initially. I used 3dMark03 for testing and the Mother Nature Test and the PS2.0 test (the elephant/rhino one) either locked the computer or produced severe visual anomalies (such as the elephant being black). However, after I installed the last (october 2006) DirectX 9.0c version (was 9.0b before that) and the 2.1a service pack, the problem went away.
3. Yes, I can't shutdown the computer anymore too!
4. In 2D all is fine. The 3D performance looks not quite bad - I was able to reach 12800 in 3dMark03 vs about 13100 in Windows XP SP2 (on the same machine). I played Unreal Tournament for quite some time and didn't have any problems. However, UT2003 seems to me a bit slow. Still playable, just a bit slow. I'll see into it later, maybe I will be able to fix it.

hello, was also trying a agp 7600gt on win98se, amd64 4000+, 1GB ram, mobo gigabyte nforce3...
exchanged my geforce 5700 against a 7600gt, was detected on bootup, drivers freshly installed , was able to change resolution and seems to work. but got some graphical 'glitches' in some games, then if found out that in the driver menu from nvidia the card was listed as 'unknown' but options were available. so i got the feeling this glithces maybe coming from the wrong expectation of the driver of hardware.... someoneelse got such behaviour?
greetings

[vbdasc]

Well, I have tested my configuration further and all I can say is just: It works! Great work, really Yes, I encountered some problems, but all are minor and can be fixed with some tweaking. I have a dual boot system with Windows XP, so in Windows 98 the games I played with were older ones, mostly. Again, some notes:

1. The "slowness" in UT2003 I mentioned before is probably only my subjective feeling. The benchmarks that UT2003 provides show only slightly lower FPS than in XP. Or may be it's related to the inferior CPU/memory management in Windows 98 in comparison with Windows XP? I don't know. This game is known to be rather CPU/memory hungry, after all. But I'll repeat: it is still fully playable. The "slowness" can be noticed only after one has just played the same game under Windows XP.

2. In 2D all is fine. But only if a 32bit color mode is used. In the 1024x768 16bit mode I noticed some weirdness: windows suddenly changing color, funny looking icons and tooltips and etc. The 2D/DirectDraw games I played look fine, even the 16bit mode ones like Heroes of Might&Magic 2 and 3

3. The 3D games I played look fine too. However, I played with Direct3D 2/3/5 games mostly. The UT2003 was the newest game I played.

4. OpenGL as in Quake3 Arena is fine.

5. DOS games. Here comes some trouble... In pure DOS 7, I haven't seen any problems. But in a Windows 98 DOS box (fullscreen, of course)... some games produced severe graphic glitches. I think these games all use the VESA APIs for accessing the screen. The problems disappear when the "Standard PCI graphic adapter (VGA)" is used. But there may be a better way: there is a free program easily found on the internet, NOLFB. It is a TSR, which disables the advanced VESA modes, forcing the game to use the more basic (an problem-free) ones. Using this program, I was able to play all my DOS games under Windows 98 without any graphic problems.

[Xeno86]

vbdasc, on Jun 15 2007, 06:48 PM, said:

I installed the 82.69mod drivers on a Windows 98 SE. For now, all seems to work (relatively) fine. The system is:
...
3. Yes, I can't shutdown the computer anymore too!

Have you tried the shutdown supplement? Also check if you have "assign irq for vga" set to "enable" in bios.

[celtish]

duplicated post - deleted

This post has been edited by celtish: 12 September 2007 - 07:11 PM

[vbdasc]

Xeno86, on Jul 1 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Have you tried the shutdown supplement?

No, but I have installed the unofficial service pack 2.1a. AFAIK, it comes with newer versions of all files that the shutdown supplement updates.

Xeno86, on Jul 1 2007, 07:15 PM, said:

Also check if you have "assign irq for vga" set to "enable" in bios.

My bios setup doesn't contain such an option; however, the resource table that the bios shows at POST time indicates the VGA card does get an IRQ (it's an AWARD bios).

P.S. My shutdown problem is exactly the same as the one described here.

This post has been edited by vbdasc: 02 July 2007 - 10:15 AM

[K-H]

Salute !!

First a big thank for this Driver !!!

i have testet this 8269 Driver with my new Bliss Geforce 7600 GT AGP (G73 chip) Device ID 02E0 . Runs perfekt , but i have shutdown problems.
replace it with Aopen 6800 Gt AGP no problem with shutdown.

would it be possible to modify this Driver to run the Geforce 7950 GT AGP (G71) Device ID 02E4 ???? No Way run Normal Mod in Win98 SE, Save Mod in VGA works.



Sorry for my English ... long Time ago

mfg KH

My System an old p4 3.06 512mb ram using 1 HDD for w98 and 1 HDD for XP

[MDGx]

K-H, on Jul 14 2007, 05:42 PM, said:

Salute !!

First a big thank for this Driver !!!

i have testet this 8269 Driver with my new Bliss Geforce 7600 GT AGP (G73 chip) Device ID 02E0 . Runs perfekt , but i have shutdown problems.
replace it with Aopen 6800 Gt AGP no problem with shutdown.

would it be possible to modify this Driver to run the Geforce 7950 GT AGP (G71) Device ID 02E4 ???? No Way run Normal Mod in Win98 SE, Save Mod in VGA works.

mfg KH

My System an old p4 3.06 512mb ram using 1 HDD for w98 and 1 HDD for XP

Your wish is my command...

Added device ID 02E4 .

Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE/ME:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/nv8269.php
NV8269.EXE [14.5 MB, multilingual]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

HTH

[K-H]

Thank You for the Update!

But the Driver does not go :-((

Tested with an modded Win98 SE: runs in Vga 16color an no Way to change
anything. Need long time to start.

Tested with an orig. Win98 SE: System hangs on initializion.Does not start in
normal Modus.

SaveMOde runs.

Before i installed the new 8269, i cleared all nivida thing and installed
VAG display Adapter. REgistry i cleared also.

There must be one switch in the Install-Routine.

Possible in the Nvinst32.dll ?????? View with the Hexedit shows no G71 Infos.
G70 and g73 are placed there.

Hope you will find a Way ....

Win98 gives me 2000 POints(3dGmark2001) more in Win98 then in WinXP
with the Geforce 6800 GT (14700 // 16700 )


mfg KH

[EvilMunky]

MDGx, first lemme say kudos to you for at least getting the 7950GT (DevID 02E4) recognized in Win98!

I'm having a similar issue to what K-H described. I had to do a manual install since the auto-installer didn't detect the card. After the manual install the card seemed to be detected correctly. I tried to adjust resolution, which only allowed me to go up to 1024x768 @ 256 colors and required a restart. After the restart I was presented with a nice BSOD which is preventing Windows from loading.

Any ideas?

[dencorso]

I use an old MSI MS-8817 V1 StarForce MX Series (nVidia GeForce2 MX400), in my ASUS A7V600-X board (which has VIA KT-600 / VT-8237 chipsets). So I don't really need to upgrade my video drivers, but I tested the 82.69 drivers to determine their compatibility with my old nVidia. I found out that they do work. But as with any nVidia drivers newer than 29.42, if I try to "Restart in MS-DOS mode" I get a blank black screen (the system gets into MS-DOS mode, for I can type blindly commands to reboot or turn-off the ATX power source and they work, but I see no video output). The same happens with the 29.90 drivers and with every 4x.xx or 3x.xx drivers that I've tested, up to now. But I've seen no comment on this issue here, and by surfing the internet found only two references to it:

[W98SE restart to MS Dos hangs] in the "Experts-Exchange", the two next-but-last comments (10.15.2002), both by josphII and [cannot Restart in MS-DOS mode], in the "WindowsBBS", post #2 (20th April 2003) by merlin. I don't reproduce the texts in those posts here because they add nothing new to what I said above, except that they show this has happened to others before.

Also, if I boot the system directly in MS-DOS, without loading Windows, there is no problem with the video output, but this is to be expected, I think.

Now, my question is: is this due to my specific hardware? Can some or all of you who tested 82.69, in Win 98 SE, restart in MS-DOS mode without any problems? Please do provide feedback!

As a solution for those who have this issue with the GeForce2 MX400, I recommend using the 29.42 drivers, but with
nvdd32.dll and nvopengl.dll from version 32.20, for added compatibility with DirectX and OpenGL. At least for me, this set up works flawlessy. And this may work with other old boards as well...

This post has been edited by dencorso: 01 September 2007 - 12:24 AM

[Eck]

Just to relate my experience.

Yes, the shutdown AND the restart to MS-DOS Mode get broken by late model NVidia drivers in 98SE.

However the MS-DOS thing can be worked around by making a shortcut to command.com (the one in the Windows folder, not the Command folder!!!). Just type in the stuff you want to load in the Use a specific configuration boxes for Autoexec and Config.sys and when you use that shortcut the system shuts down and restarts in MS-DOS Mode properly and returns to Windows properly when you're done.

No fix that I'm aware of for using the actual Windows Shutdown. The darned thing always just leaves me with my monitor blinking the message, "Check System Display Settings," (or something like that) and I need to hold the power button to get the computer to shut off.

A safer way is to just always use Restart since that does always work, unlike Shutdown that sometimes closes Windows properly and sometimes doesn't. You can't tell which since all we see is the blinking monitor message while the computer still is running. With Restart, we can hold the power button down when we see and hear that Windows has unloaded and just turn the power off that way. No monitor malfunction when we use Restart. At least then we won't get ScanDisk on bootup the times when Shutdown wasn't finished and we had no way of knowing.

I've got to use a relatively recent driver since I have a GeForce 6600GT. Works great except for this problem.