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And I got a new problem that did show up only after I started to install programs
someone on here may be able to help: It is not anymore possible to start dos under windows 98 cause I get out of memory message. -


With 2 GB of RAM you'll need a rloew patch from this thread: http://www.msfn.org/...ch-t107342.html (this will cost you 20 bucks).

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The problem was and still is to find a suitable compatible graphic card and I have it partially solved it by using an old (used and noisy) Ati Radeon 9600 on Agp.


This is very small problem.

Look this site :

http://www.gigabyte....r...&BUSSpeed=8

and here are Windows 98 drivers for Nvidia 6x00 Agp

http://www.nvidia.co...in9x_81.98.html

I do not believe that there will be problem finding computer shop with Gigabyte products

In my thinking Nvidia 6x00 series is best for Windows 98

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After looking site http://www.logicsupp...oducts/d201gly2

I can only tell you that this MBO support Windows 98 SE.

Reasons for that thinking is possibility to download from SiS site Windows 98 SE drivers for GPU, SATA and Raid on this MBO (chipset SiS662 and SiS964). For coming to this place you must visit this address

http://www.sis.com/d...?url=/download/

In reality I do not like PCI Express chipsets (this is that chipset) but ....

I think these are the SiS drivers needed:

IDE - v2.04a
LAN - v1.19
SATA & RAID - v4.11a
UniVGA3 graphics - v3.83

But also need an AD1888/SoundMax driver from somewhere?

Edited by diskless, 09 December 2007 - 05:11 PM.


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Compatibility update for Asrock 4coredual-sata2 -Intel core 2 quad processor -2 Gb of DDRII -and windows98

I solved the problem with the disk drive.

I can read DVD now.

Sorry for my last post. it was not very informative. I went to panic cause my system went into compatibility mode and I did not realize what was happening.

I have solved the memory problem by reducing even more the MaxFileCache entry.

I warn everyone wanting to install Windows 98 on this board that it is going to be a very delicate task.

Sata disks need to be put into Raid mode in the bios or else Windows 98 can enter into compatibility mode and also hide the cd disk.

Only problem I seem to have now is that I am experiencing problems with an usb memory stick (8 Gb dimension): System locks completely when tryng to write.

For Dual booters: I was able to install Linux Mepis on this board without any problem from the last 2007 distribution CD. (Ubuntu did not work)

Will post after some time an update of how my system is behaving.

Thanks to Rjecina (always very informative) about suggestions on the graphic card.

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When is possible it is better to have IDE (or PATA) hard drive. SATA is creating too much problems in Windows 98 SE installation ...

Edited by Rjecina, 12 December 2007 - 11:10 AM.


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But also need an AD1888/SoundMax driver from somewhere?


This driver will be OK

http://www.ecs.com.t...s...=39&LanID=0

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I've located the following links for running W98 on modern hardware. Anyone find any others?

Looking for motherboard still support Windows 98......08/14/2006
http://forums.window...p;enterthread=y

Trying to find a new motherboard......Sep 05, 2006
http://www.annoyance.../t1157473232Sep

Cheap new VIA/AMD PC and Win98 SE.......Nov 12 2006
http://www.msfn.org/...ded#entry586532

Windows 98 on a modern system?......03-27-2007
http://bleedinedge.c...ead.php?t=30132

Compatible Hardware with Windows 9x.......Nov 7 2007
http://www.msfn.org/...9x-t107001.html

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But also need an AD1888/SoundMax driver from somewhere?

This driver will be OK

http://www.ecs.com.t...s...=39&LanID=0

This message was written using Win98SE on an Intel D201GLY2 motherboard. :thumbup

The audio driver on the Intel D201GLY2 download webpage includes an X86 folder. The files are almost identical to those in the link you posted. Running Setup.exe from this folder installs Soundmax with no error messages. When Windows re-boots the audio device is found, but I cannot locate a driver that works. Other Soundmax drivers that I've downloaded have the same problem.

Ideas anybody?

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The audio driver on the Intel D201GLY2 download webpage includes an X86 folder. The files are almost identical to those in the link you posted. Running Setup.exe from this folder installs Soundmax with no error messages. When Windows re-boots the audio device is found, but I cannot locate a driver that works. Other Soundmax drivers that I've downloaded have the same problem.

Ideas anybody?


Problem is that Intel has stoped support for Windows 98 and it is not possible to use drivers from Intel site for instalation.

Simple speaking Intel site is very bad for drivers for "our" OS.

I think that drivers from SiS site or from site which has produced similar chipset before are much better for download.

On other side because some stupid mistake for me it is not possible to install USB 2.0 on Windows 98 (Intel 865 chipset from 2007). Installation is going OK but after restart ....

If it is not possible to install this drivers about which I have writen before you will have problem which is very similar to my USB

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The audio driver on the Intel D201GLY2 download webpage includes an X86 folder. The files are almost identical to those in the link you posted. Running Setup.exe from this folder installs Soundmax with no error messages. When Windows re-boots the audio device is found, but I cannot locate a driver that works. Other Soundmax drivers that I've downloaded have the same problem.

Ideas anybody?

Problem is that Intel has stopped support for Windows 98 and it is not possible to use drivers from Intel site for installation.

Simple speaking Intel site is very bad for drivers for "our" OS.

I think that drivers from SiS site or from site which has produced similar chipset before are much better for download.

You were right, Intel driver is no good but I have audio working on D201GLY2! :thumbup

The ECS driver you provided a link to does not work as it is. However, if you add the following line

%*WDM_AC97AUD.DeviceDesc%=WDM_M188, pci\ven_1039&dev_7012&subsys_D61F8086

to [AnalogDevices] section in smwdmSIS.inf file in 9x_Me\SMAXWDM\SE folder, then audio driver installs fine. Many thanks! :whistle:

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I found a USB 2.0 driver that installs OK, so everything looks like it is working with Win98SE & D201GLY2, except for Motherboard resources conflict for ACPI. (USB not tested at all yet,though.) System Properties pics:

Device Manager (1/4)
Device Manager (2/4)
Device Manager (3/4)
Device Manager (4/4)

Edited by diskless, 27 December 2007 - 07:50 PM.


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Compatibility report for Asrock 4coredual-sata2 -Intel core 2 quad processor -2 Gb of DDRII -
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I have now windows 98 up and running fast.
I was not able to make the on board sound card to work with the Via driver: (Hardware not recognized).

I have upgraded to service pack 2 for 98 SE english Version over the Windows98Se italian Version without problems.

The problems I have had installing Windows 98 are related to the use of 2 Gb of ram and possibly with The ATi RAdeon 9600 card I am using on this board (Even if I believe that the use of another graphic card would not solve problems):

(take a look at: http://www.msfn.org/...o...109574&st=0
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I can use 1022 Mb of Ram even if the system does not behave perfectly cause this small problems are present:

I cannot install XMSDSK.
I am able to start 2 (only two) fresh dos windows before I get the out of memory at the 3rd dos istance.

Sometime when many programs are already open I cannot just start DOS.

I believe that a wiser installation could have solved this small problems,
unfortunatly I Have found the only useful piece of information in russian and too late :

http://www.ixbt.com/...9x-memory.shtml

using Google translation I was able to understand a way to install windows 98 on new motherboards with large memory.

Maybe someone on here can experiment this and tell us if it works:

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Windows 98 Installation tip on system with large memory (above 1Gb)
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after formatting and before installation put in the disk the windows directory and the system.ini file with the following entry:

[386Enh]
MaxPhysPage=10000

This would limit the amount of memory that windows sees from the very start and possibly give a better installation.
Only after installation of all phisical devices and virtual disks (XMSDSK) remove this entry and substitute with the maximum value that can still make the system boot normally.
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It is now too late for me to try this attempts cause I have now an almost full functional and fast windows 98 system that satisfies me.

I plan to still use this pc and windows 98 in the next 5 or 6 years.

next month I am going to get a second Sata disk (the first Sata disk I have is dedicated to Linux) and will experiment Fat32 on it with the use of VIa drivers.

Happy new Year to everyone!

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I have just buyed and tested 'Biostar GF7100P-M7S' work perfect with unofficial nVidia drivers.
Integrated graphic is nVidia 7100 and chipset is nForce 630i.
P4 3.2 GHz (64bit) s.775 fsb800 work also great on this board (on 32bit) and it has DDR2 with 800MHz!
Only sound chip is Realtek ALC662 HD 5.1 and must have another sound card.
This board is also very cheap about 40-50 euros.
Fastest chipset,DDR2 800,GeForce 7100 with 600MHz core and 512 shared memory,very cheap seems that this is the best buy for 98SE lovers!

I hope it help! :hello:

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MBO Socket 775 which are still in shops:

Abit I-S71, SiS 671
Gigabyte VM900M (VIA P4M900) GPU
MSI PM9M-V (VIA P4M900) GPU
ECS 671T-M (SiS 671FX) GPU
ECS P4M800Pro-M2 (Via P4M800Pro) AGP (?)
ECS P4M890T-M (Via P4M890) --It is having really bad GPU
Foxconn P4M9007MB-8EKRS2H (ViaP4M900)
ASRock 4CoreDX90-VSTA R2.0 (VIA P4M900) Core 2 Quad support
AsRock 775i65G

Chipset information:

Via P4M900 chipset is having direct x 9.0 integrated GPU. This chipset is having Windows Vista logo. Problem is that for this chipset GPU we must use drivers of CN896 chipset, because they have similar GPU ( both are having Via chrome 9 GPU). For other drivers we need to use normal drivers from Via site.
Vis K8M890 chipset is having direct x 9.0 integrated GPU and Windows Vista logo.
SiS 671FX chipset GPU is having direct X 9.0 support and Windows Vista logo

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This is maybe the leader mbo series for 98SE:

Biostar TForce4 U AM2
Biostar TForce U 775


nForce 4 chipset
For AM2 and 775 CPU
AC 97' Audio codec X2
Dual DDR2 4x 800MHz up to 4GB
2X ATA interface port
In stores still avaiable!!! And very cheap with 3 years of warranty. :hello:

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Edited by nicke85, 12 January 2008 - 02:10 PM.


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It is important to understand that there is no offical Windows 98 drivers for nvidia 4 chipset and for PCI-E video cards !!

If somebody want to play with unofficial nVidia drivers and then with unofficial PCI-E video cards drivers he must understand that he is playing with sistem and that nobody can say if this will work OK or not !

In this situation must important question is always which video card will work, and which will refuse to work ?

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Compatibility report - 98SE on Asus M2V full size ATX with Athlon 64 X2
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It was this thread that led me to get an M2V, so here's my results.
You can still find the M2V in Canada but they are gone in USA.

The M2V uses a crappy AMI BIOS which allows only 1 floppy and
doesn't blank the monitor or turn the drives off in DOS.

Have BIOS rev 2001, 1GB DDR2 800 RAM, Athlon 64 X2 4800+ (2.5 GHz) ADO 65W ver #ADO4800DDBOX.
Running dual boot 98SE (IE removed with 98Lite) and XP Pro SP2.
Both were installed by Ghosting from a drive from an old VIA chipset mbd.

For 98SE we used the 'new profile' trick from
http://www.motherboa...com/win98me.htm
It took forever and some blood pressure pills but eventually worked.

98SE cannot use 1GB RAM. In SYSTEM.INI under [386enh] added
MaxPhysPage=39000 (tells it to use 998 MB). System shows 898.0MB.
Word is you can use anything under 40000.


XP chugged and just booted. Installed XP drivers:
LPT1 had '!', says 'DMA 04 is being used by DMA controller' (BIOS shows DMA3).
Fixed after change in BIOS to 'EPP + ECP'

VIA Chipset driver, did both Machine.INF and IDE driver - gave cryptic 'Fail
to Installed' but didn't say which! Seems not to matter.

Asus PC Probe gave 'ACPI driver install fail - not for this model'.
Tried SpeedFan 4.34b26, it worked crudely but in XP only.

98SE:
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No 98SE driver was ever written as far as I can find for the onboard Realtek ALC660
sound chip or the Attansic L1 NIC. We used cheap add-in cards and disabled onboard ones in BIOS.

Got a Sapphire AMD/ATI Radeon X550 128 MB PCIe w/TV, VGA and DVI output for about $40.
It has no fan and got quite hot, so we mounted a small ball-bearing fan on its heat
sink, 4.8 CFM 5000 RPM. Works like a charm but wipes out the adjacent PCI slot.
Catalyst 6.2 works in 98SE. Got it at
http://ati.amd.com/s...onaiw-98me.html

The 8237A's USB 2 requires drivers for 9x - and none are included.
Got VIA driver v2.42L, VIAUSB2V242L.zip.
With just the \Win98&ME files on a floppy, Add New Hdw, point to the USB device,
not the last two Unknown Devices.
Wants USB2VIA.cat, which is absent. Told it Skip, twice.
Device Mangler now has 'VIA PCI to USB Enhanced Host Controller'.
It works.

Programmable Interrupt Controller is VEN_1106&DEV_5351
VIA VT3351 I/O APIC Interrupt Controller (caused sleep problem).
Found it in \VIAMACH\VIAMACH.INF (from motherboard CD).
Patched VIAMACH.INF by remarking out 'Exclude from Select' line.
Now Dev Mgr\Properties\Reinstall Driver works.

There are still 2 '?' Devices in Device Manager.
One is the SATA in the VIA chipset, DEV_0591.
The other shows Resources = Mem FED0 0000+, IRQ 0, IRQ 8.
I have no idea what that is, but it doesn't seem to hurt anything.


Now both partitions work fine, no problems in XP; with these inconveniences in 98SE:
Using only IDE hard drives so far. The front SATA connectors may work in
98SE, the CD has VIA RAID drivers for 98SE - but not tried.
Apparantly the 2 rear SATA connectors run by the Marvell 1621 (88SE6121) controller are hopeless in 98SE.
Disabled the Marvell in BIOS setup.

Edited by dirtyoldm, 15 January 2008 - 03:22 PM.


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Maybe last new MBO which support Windows 98 SE has come to the market. This is:

AsRock ALiveDual-eSATA2

This MBO support new AMD Phenom microprocessors !!!

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Maybe last new MBO which support Windows 98 SE has come to the market. This is:

AsRock ALiveDual-eSATA2

This MBO support new AMD Phenom microprocessors !!!


nForce3 Chipset is not good for Win98…
No benefits of Phenom Quad Core under Win98, either
You should not mess up with this MB under 98, I suppose… its not worth spending money for hardware, you cannot take advantage of…

A guess, the best option for the time being is a cheap ECS P4M800Pro-M2 or Foxconn P4M9007MB with Celeron Conroe-L, which can handle BSEL mod too. The combo price should be around $100 :rolleyes:

Edited by tonich, 27 January 2008 - 05:36 AM.


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Maybe last new MBO which support Windows 98 SE has come to the market. This is:

AsRock ALiveDual-eSATA2

This MBO support new AMD Phenom microprocessors !!!


nForce3 Chipset is not good for Win98…
No benefits of Phenom Quad Core under Win98, either
You should not mess up with this MB under 98, I suppose… its not worth spending money for hardware, you cannot take advantage of…

A guess, the best option for the time being is a cheap ECS P4M800Pro-M2 or Foxconn P4M9007MB with Celeron Conroe-L, which can handle BSEL mod too. The combo price should be around $100 :rolleyes:


From the point of view of multiboot users I guess the point is not what is:
"the best MB tailored for Win98"

In fact for me and other users it is all about:

"the best Mb for Linux and XP (or Vista) still compatible with WIn98" !

(By the way I do not even understand your point of view : If I had to run a simple Win98 OS on a cheap PC I would look directly at the used market.)

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By the way I do not even understand your point of view : If I had to run a simple Win98 OS on a cheap PC I would look directly at the used market.


You don’t have to. ;)
Simply I’d take advantage of extremely cheap DDR2 (much cheaper than DDR or SDRAM) plus cheap and very fast Celeron Conroe.

Indeed, I mean single Win98 OS. I’m not moving on XP soon, anyway! :hello:

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Should we merge this topic with this 1 [more comprehensive]?
Compatible Hardware with Windows 9x:
http://www.msfn.org/...howtopic=107001

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?

Should we merge this topic with this 1 [more comprehensive]?
Compatible Hardware with Windows 9x:
http://www.msfn.org/...howtopic=107001


I am against that.

In my thinking we need to have topic about MBO, another about GPU and third about other things.

That way readers will easy find things about which are interested.

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I'm just curious. Has anyone thought about Running Win98/SE in virtual PC or VMWare with XP as the host OS? I've done that when I needed to run Win98 testing for apps and such and found it to be adequate. However, I have not tried playing games through the virtual PC? I imagine it won't be so great. With today's lower cost boards, memory and processors, it makes more sense now to virtualize other OSs.

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I haven't heard of good quality DOS soundcard & VESA video emulation, except VDMSound which I was unable to install properly. VMware 5.5 certainly doesn't have any good audio for Win98. The driver I found is unstable, has no MIDI, and no legacy support. Under VMWare the Windows GUI is does not work smoothly, so even if VESA was available it would play at least as jerky and unsuitable for gaming experience.

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ECS EliteGroup motherboard RS482-M754 :thumbup

I just got this one working with Win98SE yesterday... bought it at a Microcenter Store, so it's retail available... anyone else tried this one previously?

I still need to get the display drivers sorted out... i had a better resolution on my older AE31 MOBO from FIC... but it died...

Once i decide I'm keeping this one... i'm pondering hatcheting down the size the OS footprint with 98Lite...


3:12 est I successfully updated ATI video divers with ATI's Catalyst 6.2 drivers and can now fully support up to 1600 x 1200 (but my monitor doesn't.... new monitor time :D

http://ati.amd.com/s...onaiw-98me.html

the remaining question marks are:
PCI System management
PCI Universal Serial Bus

Edited by nathan bean, 17 February 2008 - 02:18 PM.





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