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Foxconn has created only socket 775 MBO with FSB 1333 which can support Windows 98 SE

Name of MBO is: 671 MX ( http://www.foxconnch...ID=en-us0000335 )

Special thing about this MBO is chipset SIS® 671 + 968 with Integrated VGA. Because it is possible to download Windows 98 SE GPU drivers from Foxconn site ( http://www.foxconnch...ID=en-us0000004 ) it seems that this MBO is supporting Windows 98 SE with official drivers

The onboard ALC662 is an HD audio codec, so it can't support Windows 98 SE.
Besides, USB2.0 driver is not available.

The latest SATA/RAID driver released by SIS is v4.11a, but I can't find anything about SIS968 in sisraid.inf.
If luckily, SATA HDD may work at IDE compatibility mode.

Integrated LAN driver is offered by SIS.


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Any one here knows if it is possible to buy a new laptop that can be used with windows 98?


It is weird but Fujitsu-Siemens are best for that (I do not understand why ?)

This are links for Via Windows 98 SE drivers http://www.viaarena....I...&CatID=1110

On this link you have chipset VN896 , and notebook Amilo Li 1705 is created around that chipset ( http://extranet.fuji...ilo_li_1705.pdf ) and Amilo Li 1703 is created around another Via chipset.

It is possible to buy Everex notebooks

gBook VA1500V
StepNote NC1610
StepNote VA2001T
Zonbu Notebook

They are all created aroung Via chipset and Via IGP so they can work but more checking is needed.

Edited by Rjecina, 11 April 2008 - 03:37 AM.


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Comments about this MBO created around chipset SiS 671 are right, but there is few tricks which we can use to solve few problems.

We all know that MBO which are supporting Windows Vista do not support sound in Windows 98 SE. Only solution is to buy PCI sound card (if you wish to have sound in Win98)

SATA is not great problem because MBO is having IDE connector so it is possible to use ATA hard drive and in worst case scenario together with him DVD

USB 2.0 is problem

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Report!:
A successfull win98 install on MSI K9MM-V with:

1. Athlon LE-1640 (2.6 GHz)
2. 160 GB SATA2 hdd (works in SATA1 mode)
3. 1x1GB Ram DDR2 800
4. All drivers from MSI site


Workarround (at least what i did):
1. Set SATA Mode in BIOS to "RAID"
2. Make partitions of HDD less than 128 GB.
3. Immediately after windows instalation, edit system.ini file, to define how OS will use the 1 gb RAM.
4. VIA has all the desired drivers, so do not bother for that!


Windows 98SE is FAST! :thumbup

Edited by tonich, 20 April 2008 - 01:59 AM.


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Report!:
A successfull win98 install on MSI K9MM-V with:

1. Athlon LE-1640 (2.6 GHz)
2. 160 GB SATA2 hdd (works in SATA1 mode)
3. 1x1GB Ram DDR2 800
4. All drivers from MSI site


Workarround (at least what i did):
1. Set SATA Mode in BIOS to "RAID"
2. Make partitions of HDD less than 128 GB.
3. Immediately after windows instalation, edit system.ini file, to define how OS will use the 1 gb RAM.
4. VIA has all the desired drivers, so do not bother for that!


Windows 98SE is FAST! :thumbup

Thanks for the info! Was thinking of building another PC and Via has been pretty reliable in the past. I also see that the MOBO has ATA-133 so one could use older hard drive if required.

Are you using the NUSB stuff available from this forum on it ok?

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Are you using the NUSB stuff available from this forum on it ok?


Not at the moment, but I can't see, why anyone wouldn't.
I've used NUSB on some other computers and it has been working like a charm. :)


BTW,
This MOBO uses the very same chipset and has 2 IDE channels, but 2 PCI Slots: http://www.biostar.c...nt.php?S_ID=141

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BTW,
This MOBO uses the very same chipset and has 2 IDE channels, but 2 PCI Slots: http://www.biostar.c...nt.php?S_ID=141


This one is fully compatible too. :hello:
I was able to get it working, just like the MSI’s one, described above.
The BIOS menu was little too complicated, though.
Since I was playing with both MOBOs, I’d say I’d go for the MSI now and then, it looks a bit better to me.

I had to go for the Biostar, as I needed several MOBOs, while the MSI importer for Bulgaria ran out of stock with K9MM-V, because I bought the last available ones. The company hardly believe, it will import this model any further.
So my advice is:
If you need a modern MOBO for Win98, grab one of those babies, while you can!
You'll get AM2 and DDR2 capabilities. :rolleyes:

Anyway, Taiwan power (VIA, MSI, Biostar) rocks under Win98!!! :thumbup

Cheers!



@Analada:

Are you using the NUSB stuff available from this forum on it ok?

Works OK!

Edited by tonich, 27 April 2008 - 09:52 AM.


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This MBO are supporting Windows 98 SE in May 2008:

Classic Windows 98 (AGP)

Intel

AsRock 4CoreDual-VSTA chipset Via PT880 Ultra Chipset FSB 1066 all AGP MBO
AsRock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 Via PT880 Pro/PT880 Ultra Chipsets FSB 1066 AGP MBO
AsRock 775i65G chipset Intel 865, FSB 1066 AGP
AsRock Conroe865GV Intel 865,
Gigabyte 8I865GME-775-RH (rev 6.6), s775, i865G, VGA FSB 800
ECS P4M800PRO-M3 (V3.0) FSB 1066

AMD

AsRock AM2NF3-VSTA AGP support for processors AM2 and AM2+
DFI K8T800 Pro Alf socket 754
MSI K9MM-V FSB 1600, AMD64x2 until 5200+
MSI K8T Neo2-F v2.0, socket 939 until 4800+

Integrated with GPU which is supporting Windows 98

Intel

Abit IP95 FSB 1066 VIA® UniChrome Pro 2D/ 3D Graphics
Abit IS-671, FSB 1066 Integrated SIS Mirage™ 3 DX9.0 GPU
ECS 662/1066T-M2 (V1.0) FSB 1066, Integrated SiS Mirage 1 2D/3D Graphics with 128 MB,
ECS 671T-M (V1.0) FSB 1066, SiS Mirage 3 with 256 MB,.
ECS P4M890T-M2 (V1.0B) FSB 1066, S3 UniChrome Pro with 64 MB.
Asus P5VD2-VM SE (series). FSB 1066, 256 MB IGP
Asus P5S-MX SE, FSB 1066, VGA Integrated SIS Mirage 3 support 256 MB
MSI P4M900M3-L FSB 1066, S3 Graphics Chrome9 HC
MSI PM9M-V FSB 1066, VIA UniChrome
Foxconn 671MX, FSB1333, SiS Mirage 3
Foxconn P4M9007MB (series), FSB 1066, Via graphic card.

AMD

MSI K9VGM-V FSB 2000, VIA Chrome9 graphics processor,
ASUS M2V-MX SE Integrated VIA DeltaChrome GPU
Foxconn K8M890M2MB (series), FSB 2000, Via GPU
Foxconn 761MX, FSB 2000, SiS GPU

Hybrid chipset for AMD:

AsRock ALiveDual-eSATA2 AGP support for processors AM2 and AM2+

Comment:

Classic Windows 98 MBO are supporting our best OS without any problem and there is no problem with official drivers (from chipset producers site)

Integrated MBO can be problem. For example I will take MBO with greatest FSB: Foxconn 671MX. Chipset producer (SiS) is giving GPU drivers but nothing more. Ulmost all other Via and SiS chipsets are having full Windows 98 SE support (drivers)

In creating PC configuration for Windows 98 SE it is better to use UDMA (ATA) hard drives because SATA drivers can create very interesting problems.

Biostar is not on the list because I can't find this MBO-s in the shops.
All MBO on this list are having official drivers.

Edited by Rjecina, 02 May 2008 - 01:58 AM.


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As I’ve already stated above, I’ve built several system, based on VIA K8M800 chipset (MSI K9MM-V and Biostar K8M800 Micro AM2 in particular) with ONLY SATA HDDs. After enable RAID MODE in BIOS and installing VIA RAID driver, the computers are stable 100 %. I have had enough time playing around with the configurations for about 10 day now.


Cheers!

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As I’ve already stated above, I’ve built several system, based on VIA K8M800 chipset (MSI K9MM-V and Biostar K8M800 Micro AM2 in particular) with ONLY SATA HDDs. After enable RAID MODE in BIOS and installing VIA RAID driver, the computers are stable 100 %. I have had enough time playing around with the configurations for about 10 day now.


Cheers!


Yes you are right but you forget 2 problems.

1) Greatest number of users is having very little experiance with Windows installation and they do not like to play with BIOS. They want automatic installation and you will agree that with ATA hard drivers there is automatic instalation.
2) There is small number of new MBO which do not have Windows 98 SE SATA drivers (example Foxconn 671MX)

Can you please create list of Biostar MBO-s which support Windows 98 SE, it is possible to buy in shops and which are on company web site ?

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As for Bulgaria, after browsing the official Biostar importer’s site, I can see only 1 motherboard available for sell for the time being:

AMD:
K8M800 Micro AM2

Somewhere else it is possible to have something more, but this is just in Bulgaria. Biostar has many MOBOs with VIA (especially for Intel processors), so anything with VIA should be an option. If there is a local importer for Biostar.

Cheers!

Edited by tonich, 22 May 2008 - 05:52 AM.


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Yes! Nice information that you have shared with us.

Thank you very much!
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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Thank you very much!

Edited by kepzes, 15 May 2008 - 12:23 PM.

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The Biostar P4M900 doesnt have video drivers for 98. I tried the 9x drivers for other boards that was on the CD but none would work. Sniff, sniff, please excuse me Im having a Kleenex moment

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Hi,

Please, try this one: http://www.versiontr...info/win/157635

or

This one: http://drivers.viaar...0316170329).zip

Please, let us know if it works!


It seems that VIA has cut off Win98 support for this chip, in order to gain a f*cking Vista license from Microsoft. Looks like a dirty deal to me... :realmad:


EDIT:
Well, it seems that P4M900 is a NO-NO for Windows 98: http://www.tkarena.c...00mc-win98.html

Thus, I have to remove it from the list above.
Apologizes to everyone for the misinformation.
G8YMW, I do hope your dealer would be kind enough to replace the MOBO
Cheers!

Edited by tonich, 22 May 2008 - 05:53 AM.


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Maybe I am mistaking but this is normal situation and MBO will work with drivers from internet.

From few days ago I am owner of new Gigabyte Nvidia 6x00 card. It is interesting to notice that in PDF book it is writen how this GPU support only Windows 2000, XP and Vista but after looking on CD you will find Windows 98 SE drivers (My only reason for buying this card)

With this I want to say that because of bussiness agreements they will play drivers games but until drivers are on internet Windows 98 SE will work :)

Edited by Rjecina, 23 May 2008 - 11:34 AM.


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Looking for a LAPTOP that could run windows 98.
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I have found the information that follows in the news.

I understand that this PC will be able to some extent to run WINDOWS98 (beeing able to use the Hyperion Pro drivers).

Any comment?



http://news.idg.no/c...1A58B504148B4B9

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"Via releases laptop design as open source

Via Technologies released the hardware design for a low-cost laptop with WiMax support under an open-source license on Tuesday, a move intended to make customization easier and shorten design cycles for system makers."

"he OpenBook is based on Via's 1.6 GHz C7-M processor and VX800 chipset. The design includes an 8.9-inch screen with a resolution of 1,024 pixels by 600 pixels and calls for a hard disk with a capacity of 80G bytes or more. The basic wireless module included in the design supports Wi-Fi and Bluetooth. Optional modules include Assisted GPS (AGPS), WiMax, and support for high-speed cellular networks based on EV-DO (Evolution Data Optimized), HSPA (High-Speed Packet Access), and WCDMA (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access).

Other features of the 1 kilogram (2.2 pounds) OpenBook include a full-size keyboard, up to 2G bytes of DDR (double data rate) memory, a 2-megapixel camera, a memory-card reader, and a 4-cell battery that offers up to three hours of life. The laptop is designed to run Windows Vista, Windows XP, or Linux, including G/OS, SuSE Linux, and Ubuntu."
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Edited by vick1111, 27 May 2008 - 06:36 AM.


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You are having on Via site Windows 98 SE chipset drivers, SATA drivers but there is question about IGP drivers because on the drivers list there is no VX800 chipset IGP drivers.

It is possible to try IGP drivers of CN896 (VIA Chrome9™ integrated graphics) because IGP is similar. Via data about IGP for CN896 is :"VIA Chrome9™ HC integrated graphics processor" and data for VX800U is "VIA Chrome9™ HC3 integrated graphics". This number 3 can create problems !

Now is clear that Via has ended Windows 98 SE support because they have not created IGP drivers for VX800 but they have created only Windows XP and Vista drivers !!! :realmad:

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So, when VIA stops support for win98, this means it is all over.
VIA was our last hope for win98… :(

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Good evening to all, i have a small question. can i still use ms-dos or pc-dos version 7 on these motherboards? i still have asrock 4coredual-vsta here. hehe. thanks.

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I do not see any problem with MS DOS and all MBO which are supporting "our" Windows.

Windows 98 have been created around MS DOS 7.0 and when you go to Windows 98 shutdown your options are:

*Shutdown
*Restart
*Go to DOS (to MS DOS 7.0)

You can even download MS DOS 7.0 image and create MS DOS 7.0 CD

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ORRRRR... Edit msdos.sys

BootGUI=0

Which is how I set it, alright, to go into windows I have to type "WIN" (Until I had the mobo replaced with one that doesnt have a Win9x vid driver)

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To tell you truth I do not understand problem ?

If problem is need to write WIN for Windows 98 start then more or less everything is OK

This is not normal but it will work. I am telling you this from my friend old experience which has worked in similar way with Windows 95.

For information about problems of your MBO and Windows 98 you need to write MBO information

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:whistle: Should we start a new "Topic -which states which Older MoBo's(motherboards)still also "Work" with newer updates and fixes being used almost 10 years later?*As i personnally have "5"Running 1999-2000 MoBo's as of this day...with 1 major upgraded MicronMillenia2000 with256mbRam/500mhz-PIII..... :thumbup as the largest and newest! :rolleyes: Just a thought..... :hello:

Edited by thydreamwalker, 27 June 2008 - 02:24 AM.

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I do not see point in this because:

All intel chipset until i875 (and this) are supporting Windows 98 SE

All Nvidia chipsets until nvidia3 (and this) are supporting Windows 98 SE

All old Via and SiS chipset (and greatest part of new) are supporting Windows 98 SE




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