[modicr]

Hello!

Rjecina, on Aug 12 2008, 07:53 PM, said:

3 mistakes:
Via is having Windows 98 SE and Windows Vista drivers for souncard on P4M900 chipset (my earlier mistake)
P4M900 chipset is having SATA2 and Windows 98 SE drivers !
I do not see point in Nvidia 5X00 GPU. Much better are Nvidia 6x00 and ATI 9x00

Hm, IMHO this is again a mistake. P4M900 is just a northbridge,
but SATA functionality is in southbridge.
For example the following P4M900 motherboard is not SATA2
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...X90-VSTA%20R2.0
because it has VT8237A SB, while the following PT880 Pro Ultra is
SATA2 capable since it has VT8237S SB
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...al-SATA2%20R2.0

For example, MSI P4M900M3-L is SATA2
http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=pr...amp;cat2_no=170

And IIRC, Windows 98SE driver works only when VT8237S is running in RAID
mode (this is configured in BIOS) ...

Regards, Roman

This post has been edited by modicr: 15 August 2008 - 05:45 AM

[RetroOS]

ALincoln, on Aug 12 2008, 02:07 PM, said:

...
Also, I CAN get my Audigy 4 to work under Windows 98 SE using the KX Project drivers instead of the Creative ones, but then the sound in DOS games/programs will not work (because these drivers do not include DOS emulation). However, if you use your computer for primarily music (and I do a lot of audio work) the KX Project drivers are supposedly better than the Creative ones. I only use the Creative ones because there are a lot of old DOS/Win9x games that I like. In any case the FireWire port on the Audigy 4 Pro works using the standard driver that comes with Windows 98 SE.

What version kX Project drivers did you use in 98SE?
According to the change log, 98 support was dropped after version 5.00.3537 (2004)...

[abo.rwazn]

ffv


sorry...

[ALincoln]

Compatibility update for Asrock Alivedual-esata2:

I managed to get my NIC to work. I clicked on the (!) PCI Ethernet Controller device, clicked Update (or Reinstall) Driver, Select Driver from a List, then Have Disk...
Then I browsed to the directory where the INF was. Windows 98SE accepted the NIC driver and it worked.

Also, SATA I (aka SATA 150 MB/s) works fine on this board. Windows 98SE loaded the 32-bit HDD drivers just fine and detected the disk as a regular IDE disk (BIOS is set to "Non-RAID"). I have not noticed any performance decrease (on any OS including Linux and Win2K) as a result of using SATA I instead of SATA II. The SATA I ports are controlled directly by the nForce3 250 chipset, rather than through the JMicron controller, this is why SATA I works properly (i.e. in non-MS-DOS compatibility mode) and the SATA II only works in compatibility mode. If you use an IDE HDD for Windows 98SE there are still 2 IDE ports on this board, just like on older boards. They work just fine.

RetroOS, on Aug 17 2008, 04:18 PM, said:

What version kX Project drivers did you use in 98SE?
According to the change log, 98 support was dropped after version 5.00.3537 (2004)...

I used version 5.10.0.3537. It is still available here:

http://download.kxproject.lugosoft.com/?fi...rv3541-full.exe

Hope this is helpful,

ALincoln

[the xt guy]

I see that Newegg still offers (as of Sept. 7, 2008) a Foxconn 661GX7MJ-H motherboard, currently $19.99 that should run Windows 98. It has AGP 4X/8X, DDR400 Memory slots, IDE (no SATA), a SIS chipset and takes various Pentium 4, Celeron D and Pentium D CPU's. It does not accept most kinds of Dual-Core CPU (except for Pentium D Smithfield 805) which would be wasted on Win98 anyway. (There are lots of reviews of the MB where people have not checked the CPU list, tried to use a dual-core CPU and then complained that the motherboard was DOA! doh!)

I went to the Foxconn website and as of Sept. 7, 2008 there are still Win98 drivers listed for this MB.

I realize it's an older design MB that Newegg is clearing out, but it should work fine with Win98!

This post has been edited by the xt guy: 08 November 2008 - 07:39 PM

[BlueFalcon]

I would like to know which is the better motherboard windows 98 Se compatible to use the intel Q9450.
I tried a biostar tf7150-m7 (nforce 630i) using a 80 gb ide hard drive (master), but after the install when the windows starts, it not recognize the ide dvrw (slave), only the floppy and hard disk are recognized by win98se.

Thanks for the suggestions!

[Rjecina]

For this 2 MBO there is no official Windows 98 SE drivers !

[Zollex]

In yours opinion is better 775i65g or GA-P31-DS3L for win98?

[Rjecina]

Zollex, on Oct 11 2008, 09:21 AM, said:

In yours opinion is better 775i65g or GA-P31-DS3L for win98?

Second MBO is GIGABYTE ?

I do not know is producer of first MBO (AsRock ?).......

MBO with chipset P31 are not supporting Windows 98 (GA-P31-DS3L).

MBO created around chipset i865 will work with Windows 98, but you will have 2 small problems. This are memory and processors.

For example GA-8I865PE775-G-RH (rev. 4.9) is supporting Core2Duo E4300-E4700, Pentium Dual-Core 2140-2220. You can use even "old" Core2Duo which are working with FSB 1066 (E6300, E6320, E6400, E6420, E6600) but it will work with FSB 800

AsRock 775i65G is having similar processor support, but Core2Duo processors with FSB 1066 will work with full speed.

Second problem is memory, because 775i65G will work only with DDRI and if we look prices of this and DDRII memory......

You must buy AGP card (Nvidia 6x00 or ATI 9x00) or you can use integrated graphics (direct X 8).


I am using this MBO with ATI 9x00 card

[lama]

So any MB I can buy for W98 in this year 2008? I really miss that OS.

I have nvidia 6800 PCI express, modified INF (ich7), Audigy2 ZS Card (can use kX) now the only thing missing is MB!
(although I have i955 Dell PC, I can't install cauz this **** dell's bios won't let me, it has built-in protection to mess W98 installation)

[98Guy]

> So any MB I can buy for W98 in this year 2008?

Yea, this one:

Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...%20R2.0&s=n

Although I must admit that I have no experience with that board. It's R2.0, and its got SATA2.

I have experience with the R1 board, with SATA1. Anyone have this R2 board and win-98?

[lama]

98Guy, on Oct 24 2008, 11:15 PM, said:

> So any MB I can buy for W98 in this year 2008?
>>Although I must admit that I have no experience with that board. It's R2.0, and its got SATA2.

So there is no confirmed MB here? well, perhaps a little more choices would be great...

[petekeller]

I had Win98 running on Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 last December. Everything worked
fine except for sound. Since I wanted a fully functioning system, I gave the board away.

Here's what I posted on microsft.public.win98.gen_discussion:

'Has anyone been able to get a sound card working on
a 4CORE DUAL VSTA motherboard (in win98se)?

The cards I have available are a Trident 4DWave and
a SoundBlaster PCI. Both worked fine on four other boards.
The SB PCI works fine in Windows 2000.

On the 4CORE DUAL VSTA, both cards trigger the win98 Automatic
Skip Driver. ASD gives the following reference for SB PCI
not working:

'PCI\VEN_1274&DEV_5880&SUBSYS_80011274&REV_04\209900'
Not sure what this means.

ASD suggests that I update the drivers or change the resources that
the device is using. I don't think this is the solution.

Since both of my sound cards are oldish (pre-98 really), I was hoping
something a little more recent might work.

I'm about to pick a lemon from the lemon tree, go back to my P4
socket 478 and hope it all works out.'


Got no response, Googled till I was blue in the face and gave up.

[98Guy]

> I had Win98 running on Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2 R2.0 last December.
> Everything worked fine except for sound. Since I wanted a fully functioning
> system, I gave the board away.

What hard drive did you have connected to that board? Was it SATA, or IDE?

Did you try an SB live or maybe Audigy sound board?

I think it's kinda extreme to have given that board away without trying some other sound card.

When I get the time to build my Asrock win-98 machine, I intend to install an Audigy 2 (SB0240) sound card. I'll be really p***ed if it doesn't work...

[petekeller]

>What hard drive did you have connected to that board? Was it SATA, or IDE?

IDE.

>Did you try an SB live or maybe Audigy sound board?

Trident 4-D Wave and Creative Labs Sound Blaster PCI: model CT4740.

>I think it's kinda extreme to have given that board away without trying some other sound card.

Expenses were piling up. Gave it to my sister when her board died. Works perfectly on XP.

>When I get the time to build my Asrock win-98 machine, I intend to install an Audigy 2 >(SB0240) sound card.

What's taking you so long?

>I'll be really p***ed if it doesn't work...

I think it's a conflict between sound card driver and chipset driver for HD. Good luck!

[lama]

So, I guess no one had success with sound after putting in external PCI sound card on modern motherboards right??? I'm also assuming that HD cannot be fully switched off from BIOS? Is USB sound card the answer to these type of problem(s)?

Once again, I continue to wait for a positive confirmed feedback...

This post has been edited by lama: 27 October 2008 - 06:51 AM

[petekeller]

>So, I guess no one had success with sound after putting in external PCI sound card on modern >motherboards right??? I'm also assuming that HD cannot be fully switched off from BIOS? Is USB >sound card the answer to these type of problem(s)?

>Once again, I continue to wait for a positive confirmed feedback...

I stopped waiting for a "positive confirmed feedback".

My guess is that the South Bridge chip's built in HD sound is detected by Wndows 98
and since windows 98 has no built in support for HD, the ASD is triggered, and no
drivers will ever be loaded. It may be that someone could alter the support files for
the HD or sound drivers so that one could get around that obstacle. Know anyone who
is capable of such things?

I did find one USB sound card that claimed to work in Win98 without drivers installed.
Since I had already been misled into believing an internal card would work, I was
too skeptical to buy it. If you succeed, please post. I may give it another try.

This post has been edited by petekeller: 30 October 2008 - 07:50 PM

[lama]

petekeller, on Oct 30 2008, 08:48 PM, said:

It may be that someone could alter the support files for
the HD or sound drivers so that one could get around that obstacle. Know anyone who
is capable of such things?

I know eugene did help me earlier (check this out) but later they (kX dudes) decided to stop W98 versions...

[Rjecina]

When I have started this section in May 2007 my thinking has been that in near future we will not have new motherboard which are supporting Windows 98 SE, but situation is very different

Today I will not write about which MBO is supporting which processor because this will be long story (for example many MBO are supporting Core2Duo 6700 but not 6750) and answer is possible to find in stores.

All motherboards on this lists are having official Windows 98 SE drivers:

Motheboards for Intel processors (socket 775):

ABIT, s. 775, IS 85, i845G, BUS 800 MHz, VGA, serial ATA, 5.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 400, mATX
ABIT, s. 775, SG 80DC, SIS 661FX, BUS 800 MHz, VGA, serial ATA, RAID, 5.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 400, mATX
*ABIT, s. 775, SG 95, SIS 662, BUS 800 MHz, VGA, serial ATA, RAID, 7.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 2, mATX
*ABIT, s. 775, IP-95, VIA P4M890, BUS 1066 MHz, serial ATA, RAID, 5.1 zvuk, DDR 2, LAN, ATX 2
*ABIT, s. 775, I-S71, SiS 671, BUS 1066 MHz, serial ATA II, RAID, VGA, 7.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 2, mATX
**ASROCK, s. 775, 4COREDUAL-SATA2, VIA PT880 Ultra, BUS 1066 MHz, serial ATA, RAID, 7.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 2, ATX 2
**ASROCK, s. 775, 4COREDUAL-VSTA, VIA PT880 Ultra, BUS 1066 MHz, serial ATA, RAID, 7.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 2, ATX 2
ASROCK, s. 775, CONROE 865PE, i865PE, BUS 1066 MHz, serial ATA, 7.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 400, ATX 2
ASROCK, s. 775, 775i65G R2.0, i865G, BUS 1066 MHz, VGA, serial ATA, 5.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 400, mATX
ASROCK, s. 775, 775i65G, i865GV, BUS 1066 MHz, VGA, serial ATA, 5.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 400, mATX
*ASUS P5SD2-VM mATX/SiS672/1066/DDR2/VGA/PCI-ex/LPTserial
*ECS 662/1066T-M2, s775, SIS 662, VGA, DDR II, mATX
ECS P4M800Pro-M2, s775, VIA P4M800Pro, VGA, DDR II, mATX
*ECS P4M890T-M, s775, VIA P4M890, VGA, DDR II, mATX
*ECS 671T-M, s775, SIS 671, VGA, DDR II, mATX
*ECS, s. 775, P4M900T-M2, VIA P4M900, BUS 1066 MHz, VGA, zvuk, DDR 2, LAN, mATX
Gigabyte 8I865GME-775-RH, s775, i865G, VGA, SATA, LAN, mATX


Motheboards for Intel processors (socket 478):
ASROCK, s. 478, P4I65G, i865G, BUS 800 MHz, serial ATA, VGA, 5.1 zvuk, LAN, DDR 400, mATX

Motheboards for AMD processors (socket 754):
ABIT, s. 754, KV85, VIA K8M800, BUS 1600 MHz, VGA, serial ATA, 5.1 zvuk, DDR 400, LAN, mATX


Motheboards for AMD processors (socket AM2):
**ASROCK, s. AM2, AliveDual-eSATA2, NVIDIA nFORCE 3 250, BUS 2000 MHz, serial ATA II, RAID, 7.1 zvuk, DDR 2, 1Gbps, ATX 2
ASROCK, s. AM2, AM2NF3-VSTA, NVIDIA nFORCE 3 250, BUS 2000 MHz, AGP, serial ATA, RAID, 7.1 zvuk, DDR 2, LAN, ATX 2
*ASUS M2V-MX SE, Via K8M890, 2xDDRII/800MHz,LAN,VGA,mATX


Motherboards without signs * or ** are created around chipset with full support for Windows 98. They are created around chipset which is working with AGP cards.
Motherboards with sign * are integrated without possibility to add GPU card with official drivers (PCIE problem)
Motherboards with sign** can created many, many problems GPU problems. My advice is not to buy motherboards with AGP and PCIE sockets because of possible problems.

Because motherboard producers will rarely give Windows 98 drivers only solution is download from chipset producers sites. Sound drivers are greatest problems and all MBO which are having sound support for Windows Vista they are without sound in Windows 98 !

This post has been edited by Rjecina: 02 January 2009 - 12:14 PM

[halohalo]

Rjecina, on Oct 11 2008, 08:39 AM, said:

MBO created around chipset i865 will work with Windows 98, but you will have 2 small problems. This are memory and processors.

For example GA-8I865PE775-G-RH (rev. 4.9) is supporting Core2Duo E4300-E4700, Pentium Dual-Core 2140-2220. You can use even "old" Core2Duo which are working with FSB 1066 (E6300, E6320, E6400, E6420, E6600) but it will work with FSB 800

AsRock 775i65G is having similar processor support, but Core2Duo processors with FSB 1066 will work with full speed.

Unlike the products by Gigabyte or ASUS, Wolfdale compatible beta bios is available for few motherboards by ASRock, like Conroe865pe and 775i65G. So you can get 0.5x multiplier support and multiplier will not be locked to 6.0x when using E5xxx or E7xxx processors.

ASRock ConRoe865PE Bios 1.71A
http://www.pctreiber...leid=2472&lim=0

ASRock 775i65G BIOS 3.22
http://www.pctreiber...php?fileid=2848