[Tbird885]

98 Guy, on Jul 25 2007, 02:28 PM, said:

Native drivers?

Were there some on the CD that came with the motherboard? (I didn't look at mine).

No, the buit-in drivers on the Windows CD. The hard disc controllers are working, but not the onboard LAN yet.

I could not find any 98 drivers on the motherboard CD.

[98 Guy]

> > Were there some on the CD that came with the motherboard?
>
> No, the buit-in drivers on the Windows CD. The hard disc controllers
> are working, but not the onboard LAN yet.

So you're saying that VIA drivers from 1998 are compatible with a VIA chipset from 2006?

You should look to see if your hard drives are being accessed in "DOS compatibility mode".

[PassingBy]

Hmmm .....

From my experience, VIA based boards works fine with win98 ... The last successfull win98 install I did was on MSI K9MMV with a sata hdd.

One wil have to enable compatibility mode for the sata interface and it will run fine with win98. The MSI board was using an agp card so that's not a problem. I patched a lite nvidia driver that only installs the driver portions minus utilities and it seems to works good till now ...

Performance between ide and sata drives on win98 completed installs seems to be similar. Perhaps because of the faster processor and faster sata hdd performance ...

I will be building another with Asus M2V (pci-e) and from what I've read and heard so far, it will work with win98.

I have stayed away from nforce chipsets all this while for this one reason, compatibility with win98 and dos. I still have to perform daily tasks with these two as I need low-level hardware access for certain devices ...

Rgds

[98 Guy]

> From my experience, VIA based boards works fine with win98 ...

I'm not arguing about that.

What I'm saying is that you'll probably find better drivers at the VIA website vs the old legacy drivers that are on the win-98 CD.

> The last successfull win98 install I did was on MSI K9MMV with a sata hdd.

Was the SATA drive being used in IDE-remap mode?

> One wil have to enable compatibility mode for the sata interface
> and it will run fine with win98.

As long as the drive is less than 128 gb in size. When you enable IDE-remap mode in the BIOS, win-98 will see the drive as an ordinary IDE drive and it will use ESDI_506.PDR to access the drive. If the drive is larger than 128 gb, the drive will get screwed up the first time windows tries to access it past the 128 gb point.

[teddy123]

have anyone tried ASRock ALiveSATA2-GLAN with win98 ?
http://www.asrock.co...ALiveSATA2-GLAN
it seems to be allmost the same as ASUS M2V

(but "K8T890 CF" instead of "K8T890" ?)

This post has been edited by teddy123: 27 July 2007 - 10:39 AM

[Xenek Stoehr]

Hello Rjecina. I can confirm that the Gigabyte GA-VM900M R1.0 board has working IDE & VGA drivers under windows 98SE.

I used your link http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=189 and also used the hyperion Pro driver on the driver CD that came with the Gigabyte board. While there are some ! errors on PCI and other unnecessary devices in device manager, it all appears to work.. except sound but I don't think I will bother with that! I am running truecolour in 1024x760. I am not trying any 3d games though.

Thanks for your suggestion about using the Win98 VIA® Chrome9 HC Graphics driver for VIA P4M900. You were right.

[Rjecina]

Sound problem for this Gigabyte MBO is very easy .
If normal PCI (no PCI express) is working OK you need only to buy sound card.

On http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/driver you can see which sound cards support Windows 98

This are CMI 8768/8768+ and CMI 8738. Sound card CMI 8738 is possible to buy for 10 US dollars or less

This post has been edited by Rjecina: 10 August 2007 - 09:45 PM

[Rjecina]

SiS is having interesting chipsets. Like example I will use chipset SIS® 662&964 with IGP. ECS has around that created MBO 662/1066T-M2 which is supporting Core 2 Duo processor.

For this MBO is possible to download this Windows 98 drivers on ECS website: SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, SIS SATA/RAID driver, RealTek Codec Sound on board driver, SiS Compatible VGA Multimedia Driver. All in all this are all needed drivers for MBO to work on Windows 98 SE (only new needed drivers are for USB 2.0)

It is important to say that on that MBO only working solution is IGP card (with 128 MB ram) because no other GPU card will work with Windows 98.

Similar situation is with SiS - ECS solution for AMD. Name of socket AM2 MBO is 761GXM-M. ECS site is giving Windows 98 SE drivers for SiS AGP VxD Driver, SiS180/181/182 Raid Driver, RealTek Codec Sound on board driver so it look that this will work with Windows 98 SE

[98 Guy]

I'm reposting this (it was posted in alt.windows98 and microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on August 16)

---------------------------------

> MSI K8M890M-V Socket 939 Micro-ATX anybody using it?

Looks like you'll be able to get it functional in win-98 by downloading the via drivers from here:

http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110

Specifically:

http://www.viaarena....onPro_V512A.zip

(VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package)

That board has PCI and PCI-e slots. You won't be able to get a pci-e video card running on win-98, so you'll have to find a PCI video card.

If you are a die-hard AMD fan, you might want to look at this board:

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...-VSTA&s=939

(Asrock 939Dual-VSTA)

It uses the ULi M1695 chipset, which seems to have win-98 support:

http://www.uli.com.t...ort/drivers.php

(Note that ULi was purchased by NVidia in Dec. 2005)

Otherwise, you might want to look at this board:

http://www.asrock.co...=4COREDUAL-VSTA

(Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA)

It uses the VIA PT880 Ultra Chipset (same link as above for the drivers). It can take DDR and DDR-2 memory, and it has a PCI-e ->AND<- AGP-8x slots. The downside to this board is that you won't get the audio working so you'll have to use a separate sound card.

[dz1]

From my experience the ASRock 939S56-M motherboard works well with Windows 98SE. It takes socket 939 processors including AMD's dual core. It uses PCI Express. PCI Express graphics cards have worked fine when i've tried them with Windows 98SE.

98 Guy, on Sep 2 2007, 07:55 AM, said:

You won't be able to get a pci-e video card running on win-98, so you'll have to find a PCI video card.

I have had no trouble using NVIDIA PCI Express graphics cards with Windows 98SE, as long as you use the Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Drivers for Windows 98 and ME.

[dspear]

I haven't used the ECS Geforce 6100SM-M V1.0, but see the Customer Review by 'electrical-warehouse' at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motherboard-Geforc...t/dp/B000OBTSW6
This is available in the US, for instance, at http://www.outletpc.com/c3504.html for $59.95

If you are having trouble with Win98 with over 512MB of RAM, see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...kb;en-us;253912

[matthiaspaul]

Hi all.

One of the reasons for running Windows 98 SE on new hardware is the best-possible support for DOS as well as driver support for older or special hardware, especially in the industrial / embedded world. However, often, old special purpose hardware does also require an ISA slot, which has become a rare gem on modern mainboards.

Personally, I run DR-DOS 7.08 and Windows 98 SE (besides a host of other operating systems) on a Commell P4LA Rev D BIOS 2.1 industrial mainboard, equipped with Core2D E6600 SL9S8 2.4GHz and 4x1 GB RAM.

http://www.commell.c...ct/SBC/P4LA.HTM

- Intel 945G PCI-Express chipset & ICH7R chipset (RAID + Matrix storage support)
- CPU Intel Core2D, Pentium D, Pentium 4, Celeron D (no EE editions) with 800/1066 MHz FSB, LGA 775 socket
- lots of BIOS config settings
- 4x 240-pin DDR2 533/667 RAM slot for up to 4 GB of RAM (of course, Windows 98 SE can only use a fraction of it, but still)
- 1x 16-bit ISA slot
- 4x 32-bit PCI slots
- 1x PCIe slot 4x
- 1x PCIe slot 1x
- 1x PCIe slot 16x
- Onboard VGA (Intel GMA 950) with 224MB shared memory (no driver support for Windows 98 SE, so only standard VGA resolution under Windows)
- PATA: 2x EIDE/ATAPI UDMA100 devices or a 40-pin DOM (disk-on-memory)
- SATA: 4x SATA-II (modern OSes support all 6 channels simultanously, whilst only up to 4 of them can be used under Windows 98 SE. I'm quite confident that - with a little bit of tweaking - all six channels could be made work in DOS and thus in Windows 98 SE as well, although most probably not at full speed.)
- Marvell E8053 Yukon Gigabit LAN (DOS and Windows 98 SE drivers exist, but I could not get 7.14.1.3 to run so far, so I use an Intel PRO 1000 GT PCI Gigabit LAN addon card. For me, the Yukon driver either hangs or crashes during Windows startup.)
- Audio Realtek ALC880 HDaudio with S/P-DIF (no DOS and Windows 98 SE drivers exist to the best of my knowledge.)
- 1x 32-pin DIP JEDEC DiskOnChip socket
- 1x CF-Card slot Type II
- 8x USB 2.0
- 5x RS232, one of them configurable as IrDA
- 1x RS232/422/485 port
- 1x LPT incl. ECP/EPP
- 2x FDD (up to 2,88 ED disks, but without 3mode support)
- 1x PS/2 keyboard
- 1x PS/2 mouse
- 8x user programmable digital I/O ports
- configurable hardware watchdog

Since no Windows 98 SE drivers exist for the GMA 950 onboard graphics (or at least I could not find any), I installed an ATI All-in-Wonder X800XL PCIe DVB-T/PAL 256MB (100-714502) graphics card into the PCIe 16x slot. I think, this video card is one of the latest, for which Windows 98 SE drivers are still available: Catalyst 6.2 as of 2006-02-09. This driver suite officially supports only the Radeon 9800, 9700, 9600, 9500, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500, 7500, 7200, 7000 and Xpress 200 series (incl. All-in-Wonder variants of them). However, it also provides beta support for the Radeon X850, X800, X600, X550 and X300 series (but not for the All-in-Wonder-variants of them). Trying to install these drivers, the automatic installation will detect an "incompatible card", but if you install the drivers manually, it is still possible to use the video card in all resolutions, with dual monitor support and as 3D graphics card. So far, I was not able to get the TV Tuner running, and the driver for the Remote Wonder Plus remote control causes a non-fatal protection fault at startup.

http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/de/98me...onaiw-98me.html

In regard to 945G chipset driver support. Intel does not officially provide Windows 98 SE drivers for them, but manually installing assorted generation 8xx drivers from various packages, I was able to find working drivers for most components. Only very few yellow "!" can be found in device manager:

- Other components:
-- ! PCI card
-- ! PCI RAID controller (not essential for operation, see below)
- Audio, Video, Game controllers:
-- ! ATI WDM TV Tuner (I still have some hope to get it working)
- System components:
-- ! PCI standard ISA bridge (secondary) [the primary PCI standard ISA bridge works] (not essential for operation).
EDIT: With the updated Intel drivers from http://windows98.ic.cz it now shows up as: "Intel® 82801GB/GR (ICH7
family) LPC Interface Controller - 27B8". The yellow "!" did not vanish, however...
- Universal serial bus controllers:
-- ! ATI RemoteWonder Plus (I still have some hope to get it working)

Since RAID works on BIOS+hardware level, having no RAID drivers for Windows 98 SE is not much of a problem, unless someone would need maximum harddisk performance. In my case, my focus is more on reliability. Therefore I use RAID 1 for redundancy, and only a small section of the drive matrix as RAID 0 (for cache files). Recommended harddisks for RAID are Western Digital *YS RE2 SATA harddisks, where the 15s read timeout can be disabled using the TLER utility. In case there would be a RAID fault under Windows 98 SE, one would require another operating system such as Windows 2000 or XP in order to rebuild the RAID. However, basis setup does not require any drivers or tools at all and can be done from within the BIOS.

I hope this information may help some people to find a mostly DOS and Windows 98 SE compatible modern, flexible, and highly reliable industrial grade mainboard with support for PCIe, PCI and ISA at the same time.

Greetings,

Matthias

This post has been edited by matthiaspaul: 23 September 2007 - 01:57 PM

[dspear]

teddy123, on Jul 27 2007, 10:38 AM, said:

have anyone tried ASRock ALiveSATA2-GLAN with win98 ?
http://www.asrock.co...ALiveSATA2-GLAN
it seems to be allmost the same as ASUS M2V
(but "K8T890 CF" instead of "K8T890" ?)

According to the review at http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/mainbo...m2v-k8t890.html

"ASRock ALiveSATA2-GLAN is based on the same K8T890 chipset as the system board being examined in this article [Asus M2V]. Taking into consideration that the two companies are more than related, one may wonder why they would release models that are similar"

[Rjecina]

It has been ulmost 6 months from first MBO list and now is time for new list because many things has changed.

AM2 Motherboards for Athlon 64 and Sempron which can work with Windows 98 SE:

ASRock AM2NF3-VSTA (chipset nvidia 3). This is old AGP type of MBO which is having Windows Vista logo. Users will be without sound in Windows 98 SE if they do not buy sound card

Gigabyte MF3 (chipset nvidia 3). FSB of this MBO is only 800. Because of that Semprons will work 100 % OK but Athlon 64 which needs FSB 1000 will work 20 % lower of what is possible.

MSI K9MM-V (chipset Via K8M800) is old AGP type of MBO.

Foxconn K8M890M2MA-RS2H (chipset Via K8M890). This is PCI Express MBO !! She can work with Windows 98 SE only if we use integrated GPU on MBO. This GPU is having direct X 9.0 support and motherboard is having Windows Vista logo.

ECS K8M890M-M (chipset Via K8M890). Similar like Foxconn version.

Windows 98 SE drivers for all this MBO will be needed to download from chipset producers sites.

Links are:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=164 for K8M890 GPU
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110 for all Via chipset
http://www.nvidia.co...win9x_4.27.html For Nvidia 3

Next month I will write something similar about Core 2 Duo motherboards

[Rjecina]

Amazon is selling new motherboard on which Windows 98 SE is working. This is:

MSI K9MM-V

Link is http://www.amazon.com/Motherboard-U-atx-Du...1996&sr=8-1

I have not expected to find new Windows 98 SE MBO on Amazon

[vick1111]

Reading this forum I understand that windows 98 can work on :

Asrock 775Dual-VSTA

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...al-VSTA&s=n

Even if I was not able to find this motherboard in local stores. (Italy)

Can anyone tell opinions if windows 98 could possibly work also on:

Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...l-SATA2&s=n

This motherboard that can be more easily found and supports Sata2.

What kind of problems there are with Sata 2 and windows 98?

Thank in advance to everyone that can help and thanks especially to the ones that already did put very good information on here.

[xrayer]

My current mobo running Win98SE (and DOS, XP, Debian, ...)

Asus P5LD2
-support for Core2 CPU (newer revisions), I use E6400@2,4GHz
-PCI-E/PCI
-intel 945 + ICH7R
-additional onboard IDE ITE8211 = up to 6 PATA devices! (fully utilized by 3 optical drives, 2 HDDs, 1 ZIP 100MB)
-4 DIMM slots (I use 2x512MB DDRII 667MHz in dualchannel)

I managed to install Win98SE without serious problems. I installed official drivers for ITE8211 IDE, Marvell Yukon LAN, modified drivers for nVidia 7600GS PCIE, unofficial USB2.0 drivers included in nUSB 3.0 & 3.2, modified intel INF files. In device manager left only one unknown device called "motherboard resources" but it's OK. I didn't tested SATA yet (currently have all on PATA) and I don't use onboard sound because of better SB Live!

Remaining issues:
-SB emulation driver doesn't work under DOS and Win98 (only possibility for dos games is some kind of emulation - DOSBOX, VDMSound (XP), DOSEMU (Linux))
-Windows 98 hangs during shutdows process (bad combination with nvidia) and I have to use restart and shutdown manually
-This crap boasts with overclocking features but it have very bad behavior when FSB exceed about 320MHz, then on all restarts the system is going power off and on within 2 seconds which I belive doesn't prolong life of HDDs. But I fixed this issue by HW-modding - I inserted an asymmetric delay circuit in PSON ATX supply signal to avoid shutdowns when signal goes high shorter than 2 sec.

[Rjecina]

Yes 4CoreDual-SATA2 will work with Windows 98 SE but you will need to have look very good about GPU.

In my thinking this MBO is maybe having problem GPU. I do not know if problem is with Nvidia or ATI.

In the end this will not be your problem because you will buy is shop PC with MBO and GPU and then they will connect that. If it is not working then this will become shop problem (they will need to change GPU)

I think that best possible GPU which is supporting Windows 98 SE is Nvidia GeForce 6 series (Nvidia 6x00) because it is using pixel shader 3.0 . Other possibility is ATI Radeon 9550, 9600 or 9800 (they support only pixel shader 2.0). They all must be AGP or you will have problems

You will need Windows 98 SE drivers for your 4CoreDual-SATA2.

here are chipset drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110

here are IDE-SATA drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=143

here are sound drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=104 (I think that this will not work ??) It will be best to buy separate sound card which is supporting Windows 98 SE

I have writen here links for drivers because they are not on ASRock site.

[bizzybody]

This isn't the latest and greatest of boards, but the MicroStar MS-6378 runs 98se very well. It's a Socket A, takes PC133, ATA100, built in sound, video, ethernet, USB. I have one with a Duron 900 and it runs 98se very well.

The only strike against it is it has no AGP slot and stupid Windows sees the onboard video even when it's disabled in BIOS. Can't actually disable it, but choose zero for the frame buffer, and it has a (!) on it in device manager when set to zero.

[modicr]

Hello!

Here is an interesting new "dual" mb for AMD Phenom X4/X2 from ASRock
based on NVidia nForce3 250 and NVIDIA (ULi/ALi) M1695

http://www.asrock.co...LiveDual-eSATA2
http://www.asrock.co...show.asp?id=113

It supports both PCIe x16 and AGP 8X!

Does nForce3 250 chipset work ok with Windows 98 ?

Roman

This post has been edited by modicr: 19 November 2007 - 07:05 PM