[rainyd]

I agree with Rjecina: this motherboard should work with Win98 because as far as I know two mobos based on M1695 chipset (939Dual-Sata2 and 939Dual-Vsta) can run it.

This post has been edited by rainyd: 28 February 2008 - 05:33 PM

[SecondEditor]

thx a lot "Rjecina"
also thx "rainyd"

[SecondEditor]

forgot to ask does any 1 have that mainboard (dident recognised that ULI was on that board,never thought i colud use it)
i mean win 98 and (ALiveDual-eSATA2)
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...SATA2&s=AM2



& if anyone have it, does ultra dma work?

This post has been edited by SecondEditor: 01 March 2008 - 02:58 AM

[Rjecina]

My PC is Core2Duo with i865 chipset (http://www.asrock.co...l=775i65G&s=775 DDRI ???)

If you look internet page of ALiveDual-eSATA2 you will see in section:

Expansion / Connectivity

that on MBO there are:

2 x ATA133 IDE connectors (this is udma)

You can connect IDE hard drive and DVD rom.

For me this MBO is tricky because of drivers installation.
Problems are possible because in example ULI or Nvidia drives can refuse installation when they "see" that there is hybrid chipset. In my thinking Uli is not problem because he has always been only half of MBO chipset.

Problem will be Nvidia3 because this chipset (and drivers) has been created to be south and north bridge. What will installation do when she notice that north bridge is ULi1695 I do not know. If Nvidia3 drivers are writen OK everything will work if not you will need to make manual installation (I do not know how to do that)

[SecondEditor]

thx again "Rjecina" (ispade mi dobar komšija pozdrav od bivšeg muje od doboja )

does any 1 have this board (ALiveDual-eSATA2) in combination with win 98
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...SATA2&s=AM2

i can run on VIA (A8V Deluxe 939 ) with ultra dma driver (from VIAarena.com) about 55 MB /second HD Speed so i would like to keep that speed (at last with 40 MB/s probably could live with it) when i buy (ALiveDual-eSATA2) mainboard.


any 1 can HELP ?

[SUPERCHARGE]

Rjecina, on Mar 1 2008, 03:14 PM, said:

My PC is Core2Duo with i865 chipset (http://www.asrock.co...l=775i65G&s=775 DDRI ???)

If you look internet page of ALiveDual-eSATA2 you will see in section:

Expansion / Connectivity

that on MBO there are:

2 x ATA133 IDE connectors (this is udma)

You can connect IDE hard drive and DVD rom.

For me this MBO is tricky because of drivers installation.
Problems are possible because in example ULI or Nvidia drives can refuse installation when they "see" that there is hybrid chipset. In my thinking Uli is not problem because he has always been only half of MBO chipset.

Problem will be Nvidia3 because this chipset (and drivers) has been created to be south and north bridge. What will installation do when she notice that north bridge is ULi1695 I do not know. If Nvidia3 drivers are writen OK everything will work if not you will need to make manual installation (I do not know how to do that)

Hi guys, I've been on a quest to find the best PC that can Support windows 98. Because dosBox works only for VERY old games and Virtual Windows sucks and doesn't support graphice well. The point of this PC is to be able to support the largest number of games possible. I'll be installing 4 or 5 Operating systems, which I've done before. Remember all those need for speed games, test drive, mech warriors, doon, wolfenstein, descnet1,2,3, etc? I want my PC to be super compatible. Most of these cannot be played in other systems than windows 98. And often, those that are compatible wiuth other OS, seem to have graphic problems. So this is why I want to build a PC like on these forums.

I've read through all your posts and I see many decent MOBO's with the support needed for windows 98. How would you compare your boards to the one I've found throughout my search?

These are all dual socket 940 opterons which can support two opteron 250, 252, 254 and 256 processors. Yes in other words these are server boards which support windows 98.

I currently have the K8t-master2-far7 board and a geforce OC 6800ultra (Fastest card with full windows 98 support)

Two other good MObo's with win 98 support and aGP are the " Tyan Thunder K8W S2885ANRF" and the "dk8n"

I was about to order two opteron 254's for my mobo since they're very powerful together and pay 200$ for 2 gigs pc400 ECC ram. I couldn't find any better, but now that I see this post, what do you think?

These boards have processors which surpass most, but the ram isn't the greatest.

so how would compare these boards to let's say the "4CoreDual-VSTA" or "AM2NF3-VSTA"?


There is one board that interests me GREATLY! And I would take it Right away if i knew it was compatible with windows 98

That's the "ALiveDual-eSATA2"

I can't find any windows 98 support for this, but this board seems perfect.
So does ANYONE know if this board will work with windows 98? I would reeaallly like this board if I could play all me and my friends old games on it.
This would probably end up being a board i'd keep for life.

See, even if this board doesn't support windows 98, it has support for windows 2000 and up with both an AGP slot and full PCI-e. If I use my geforce 6800 ultra, is there a way around playing games that really need windows 98?

Thank you very much.

This post has been edited by SUPERCHARGE: 11 March 2008 - 11:41 PM

[Rjecina]

Why not write email to AsRock and ask if this MBO will work with old Nvidia3 and Uli1695 Windows 98SE drivers ?

[SUPERCHARGE]

Rjecina, on Mar 12 2008, 02:13 PM, said:

Why not write email to AsRock and ask if this MBO will work with old Nvidia3 and Uli1695 Windows 98SE drivers ?

I wish:

I wrote them an email monday asking where it is possible to get them shipped into Canada and did not receive a reply. If they didn't bother writing a simple answer like that back to me for business, then I'm sure they won't bother with going through the trouble of answering technical questions.
And if they did, they'd probably only copy and paste the same specifications from their website in an email. That's what ALL companies do. Speaking to companies is like talking to a **** brick wall.

Anyways, if you want to add these four boards to the list of windows 98 compatible Motherboards:

K8T-master2-FAR (difficult to find)
K8T-master2-FAR7 (impossible to find in last 2 years)
DK8N (this is a legendary board. If you find this, which you most likely never will, don't expect it to be cheap)
Tyan Thunder K8W S2885ANRF (You will find this one in a few places if you look around. Problem is that it's a HUGE board. Need Server case)

These are all dual opteron socket 940's.

I still don't know if they'd be faster than today's AGP compatible baords.

[xrayer]

Hi,
does anybody tried to install Win98 on mobos with new intel chipset P31/P35? The major advantage is 1333MHz FSB support for new 45nm Core 2 Duo CPUs. E.g. Gigabyte sells some nice and cheap mobos: http://www.czechcomp...jsp?artno=48787
This mobos combine P31 with well proven ICH7® which is not problem in Win98. I didn't studied differences of P31 and i945 but maybe very similar and INF would be possible to modify easily - add new PCI VID & DID. P35 is used in combination with ICH9® which hasn PATA port. This is done via Jmicron controller and I don't know if there are drivers for it.

[MDGx]

I have a Gigabyte P35-DS3L mobo:
http://tw.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboa...?ProductID=2599
+ an Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 CPU + a GeForce 7600 PCIx video card.
The tweaked Nvidia driver 82.69 seems to work ok, BTW:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE
I have managed to load Windows 98 SE on this mobo, but it is not stable yet.
I'm going to experiment with a few more tweaks, and will let you guys know if it works.

Tweak you may want to try if using a P31/P35 mobo with Win98 SE/ME:
Download INFINST.EXE [current version, works only with XP/2003/Vista] from Intel:
http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Filter_Res...x?ProductID=816
and open it in 7-Zip, PowerArchiver, WinRAR, WinZip or similar tool.
Extract the CAT + INF files from the WinXP (x86) subfolder.
Place them into your Windows 98 SE/ME INF subfolder:
%windir%\INF
[%windir% = usually C:\WINDOWS]
Reboot.
Allow Windows Hardware Wizard to recognize the new hardware [click OK/whatever].
Reboot.

HTH

[RetroOS]

MDGx, on Mar 21 2008, 11:46 AM, said:

...
Download INFINST.EXE [current version, works only with XP/2003/Vista] from Intel:
...
Extract the CAT + INF files from the WinXP (x86) subfolder.
Place them into your Windows 98 SE/ME INF subfolder:
...

I was wondering if newer Intel INFs would work.
Maybe someone can use the 9x Intel Chipset INF Installer and modify with the latest INFs?

[xrayer]

MDGx, on Mar 20 2008, 11:46 PM, said:

I have a Gigabyte P35-DS3L mobo:
http://tw.giga-byte.com/Products/Motherboa...?ProductID=2599
+ an Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 CPU + a GeForce 7600 PCIx video card.

Hi, thanks for report.
I can confirm that Win98SE works well on P31+ICH7 (GA-P31-DS3L). I used modified INF files by Peter and all HW components was detected. I don't have any /!\ in device manager. On prevoius MB I had one ! for LPC interface.
But I have now other 2 problems:
1) I extend RAM 1GB -> 2GB
even if I tweak Vcache size in system.ini I cannot boot windows in normal mode and safe mode. Normal mode hangs with blinking cursor on text scree. Safe mode will not boot due to not enough memory
2) Onboard 1Gbit ethernet Realtek 8111B.
There's Win98SE driver on Realtek site but after I installed it, windows cannot boot. It hangs with message about corruption of memory protection in textmode. I can boot in safe mode an disable network controller in CPL. Then it boots in normal mode again. Interesting is that when I enable the network controller in CPL windows enables it without restart and I can use network normally unitl next reboot. Maybe I could try older driver.

This post has been edited by xrayer: 21 March 2008 - 10:15 AM

[burpnrun]

FWIW, I have been successful in putting a base WinME install from an OEM CD onto an AM2 chipset. By base, I mean I got the desktop, everything works, but I haven't yet been successful in changing the Asus/Nvidia W2K drivers for the chipset, IDE, LAN, etc to work with the board and WinME. Despite that, the thing is fast, but I got 3 entries each for the base, primary and seconday IDE channels. Still works. I can put up with it since it's my main machine with SATA, and all I do is disconnect the SATA and connect up the IDE when I want to experiment.

Board is an Asus M2NPV-VM (430/6150) with PCI-E. I attached a WD 80 gig IDE drive, FDisk'd and formatted a single primary Fat16 partition of 2047mb with a custom WinMe boot disk. I was using the onboard 6150 display adapter attached via digital (not analogue) port to a Samsung 213T LCD. I kept the whole 2 gigs of RAM in during the install, and did not touch system.ini at all.

My reason for starting with WinMe, rather than Win98se, is that if this doesn't work, then for sure Win98se won't. The art of the possible first, then back up. I tried half-heartedly first using a 250 gig SATA drive, but was rebuffed - mouse & screen froze during install. BTW, anyone trying to install WinME should be very careful to not use the mouse more than absolutely necessary during install. First install try it hung two-thirds of the way through the install when I moved it to see if it was still working.

As I blow my brains out on trying to modify the Nvidia drivers, I'll let you know what happens. I've ghosted the workable/basic Drive C: WinMe onto a newly created drive D:, so that should help if I screw up, going forward.

[xrayer]

xrayer, on Mar 21 2008, 03:36 PM, said:

2) Onboard 1Gbit ethernet Realtek 8111B.
There's Win98SE driver on Realtek site but after I installed it, windows cannot boot. It hangs with message about corruption of memory protection in textmode. I can boot in safe mode an disable network controller in CPL. Then it boots in normal mode again. Interesting is that when I enable the network controller in CPL windows enables it without restart and I can use network normally unitl next reboot. Maybe I could try older driver.

Problem solved. I used older driver distributed on Gigabyte installation CD. I will upload it on windows98.ic.cz

EDIT: Working RTL8111 driver is available here: http://windows98.ic.cz/net/rtl8111.zip

I also did a small update of intel chipset inf files (change in 945.inf), download here: http://windows98.ic....et/intelinf.zip

This post has been edited by xrayer: 26 March 2008 - 04:13 PM

[burpnrun]

9x & ME: Fading Memories

I recently tried to put 98se, then ME, on my Asus M2NPV-VM motherboard. Using a PATA drive, each basic installation went on, albeit with system.ini, esdi_507.pdr and other tricks mentioned in the forum threads. With a SATA drive, however, the best I could do was to get 98se to to the initial desktop after install. At that point it essentially froze. I never was able to get ME all the way through the installation routine using SATA. No PATA Compatibility mode, eh?

Even if I had been able to run these base installs, they would still be lacking drivers, in my case, NVIDIA/Asus, to make use of the motherboard resources and, by extension, the LAN, USB, and PCI-E functionality to name a few. Fun, interesting, but not much utility

The effort that has been made by contributors to this forum ... in advice, answers, code, updates and retrofitting, tricks and workarounds, is extraordinary. It's probably because DOS, then Win 3x, then Win98 & ME were so much fun to play with, although it wasn't so much fun at the time if, for example, you had plunked down good money for the latest and greatest DOS 4.x only to find that it was "slightly ahead of its time", a.k.a. a turkey. All the effort now means that older boards, say NF2 and before (in my case), will continue to shine with 98 & ME versions and upgrades, and for that many folks should be appreciative and thankful.

But for newer boards, 754, 939 and now the AM(+) and whatever the future holds, anything older than Win2K is essentially a no-go. Not impossible, I imagine, if you are quite techically inclined and purposeful, but for the average technical smarts of the 9x generation, probably effectively dead.

I will miss the fun and thrill of trying to get another 30 bytes of low mem in DOS, or tuning Win 3 to run in Real Mode like a speed demon on a Harris 286 where I had replaced the stock crystal with a "daring" 20 Mhz part.

But I guess those days are over. Putting the latest and greatest skin on XP, or listening to suckers moan about Vista, just doesn't have the same cachet. Not even close. So I'll stay with openSUSE that I've been using as my prime machine for the past 18 months with absolutely gorgeous font display, far ahead of Vista capability, boot into Win2k or XP if I have the need (very seldom), and just lean back and recall "the good old days" when I have a spare moment.

Thanks greatly for the fine memories.

[billtodd]

It's really not that bad. There are plenty of socket 754 and 939 boards that will run Win98(SE) just fine, and I've used it as my main system on an nForce3 (socket 754) board. It installed OK on my AM2 (Via K8M890) board as well, complete with embedded (S3 Chrome9 IGP) video support - though I couldn't find a Win9x driver for the embedded (Realtek ALC883) audio (easily remedied with a cheap audio card, had I cared to do so) and once in a while it hangs for no obvious reason (having moved to using mostly Win2K on that system these days it's not worth worrying about).

In fact, the only recent machine of ours that it *won't* install on is a GeForce6150B with nForce430 (haven't tried just plunking down some other working Win98SE system on it and trying to update drivers individually because I haven't been able to find any Win9x 430 drivers for it even if the unofficial nVidia driver here would support the 6150 - elsewhere in this thread I think I remember mention of an ECS nForce 4 board that purportedly supported Win9x, but I couldn't find drivers to download and try). But DOS 7.1 still runs fine there (and will run WFW 3.11 if you want to: with an 8 GB FAT32 partition its File Manager won't admit that free or used space can exceed 1.99 MB, but everything else seems to work based on a very cursory test) - as does DOS 6.22 (which I tried installing just for why-not - perhaps I'm getting old, but I can't say that I relished the thought of what it might take to optimize its RAM use and create a network-enabled system with it).

That said, having more or less migrated to Win2K over the past 8 months or so I can't say that there's too much of Win9x that I miss there. Just about everything we used to run on Win9x (save for the occasional ancient DOS game) runs on Win2K, plus a lot of stuff that wouldn't run on Win9x (I do find it annoying that some things say they require XP, since there's little obvious reason why they should - haven't yet tried setting up Win2K to lie to them to see how that works). And with supported Win9x network protection software becoming hard to find using Win9x for surfing is becoming a bit dicey: AVG seems to be planning to drop Win9x support this summer, leaving only Avast - I think - with any active anti-virus protection, and while being up-to-date is less important for firewalls I'm not sure that ZA 5.5 makes me feel as warm and fuzzy as I'd like to (I tried Jetico but it doesn't seem to like some of my systems). Since we sit behind a modest hardware router we might be OK with just about nothing at all, but still...

Dual-booting a Win2K logical partition off a Win98SE primary partition let's me use AntiVir, Comodo, and ThreatFire to protect both (not that I've removed AVG, ZA, and WinPatrol from Win98: even limited active protection is better than none at all) - and the FAT32 partition (where I've set up Firefox and Thunderbird so that their profiles can be accessed from either system) can easily be shared with the Linux system that I keep meaning to try out. With even just 256 MB of RAM Win2K seems nearly as responsive as Win98SE on anything but decade-old hardware, and at least as stable. I'm getting tempted to rip TCP/IP support out of the Win98SE system so that I won't be tempted to surf with it (our home LAN uses NetBEUI, so that'll still be accessible).

Whoops - this may not be the right place to extoll Win2K's virtues, and given that I've been happy with Win98 until *very* recently I wouldn't want to seem to be knocking it now. Guess I'm just trying to say that a) there's still a lot of hardware on which it will run just fine (though relatively little *new* hardware where that's true) and b) dual-booting with newer Windows versions provides one easy way to keep using it safely.

- bill

This post has been edited by billtodd: 27 March 2008 - 02:30 AM

[xrayer]

xrayer, on Mar 21 2008, 04:36 PM, said:

1) I extend RAM 1GB -> 2GB
even if I tweak Vcache size in system.ini I cannot boot windows in normal mode and safe mode. Normal mode hangs with blinking cursor on text scree. Safe mode will not boot due to not enough memory

Problem (partially) solved!
After some days of messing I finally found HimemX XMS manager freely available here http://japheth.de/Jemm.html
which allows you to limit XMS size by /MAX= option. After I limit XMS to 1GB it boots and seems to work fine!
Of course windows sees then only 1GB but it's acceptable for me, I don't need then any commercial patch.

Here's my lines of system.ini:

[386Enh]
MaxPhysPage=40000

[vcache]
MaxFileCache=261120
MinFileCache=32768
ChunkSize=4096

[Rjecina]

Foxconn has created only socket 775 MBO with FSB 1333 which can support Windows 98 SE

Name of MBO is: 671 MX ( http://www.foxconnchannel.com/product/Moth...ID=en-us0000335 )

Special thing about this MBO is chipset SIS® 671 + 968 with Integrated VGA. Because it is possible to download Windows 98 SE GPU drivers from Foxconn site ( http://www.foxconnchannel.com/support/down...ID=en-us0000004 ) it seems that this MBO is supporting Windows 98 SE with official drivers

[vick1111]

Laptops and Windows 98
____________________

Any one here knows if it is possible to buy a new laptop that can be used with windows 98?

[modicr]

Hello!

vick1111, on Apr 8 2008, 02:28 PM, said:

Any one here knows if it is possible to buy a new laptop that can be used with windows 98?

Maybe Fujitsu Siemens ESPRIMO V5535. Specifications of its motherboard:

Quote

Northbridge ... SIS M672
Southbridge ... SiS 968
Graphics ... SiS Mirage 3+ Graphics, 64-256 MB shared memory
LAN ... SiS196

http://extranet.fujitsu-siemens.com/VIL/dm...obile_v5535.pdf

Regards, Roman

This post has been edited by modicr: 08 April 2008 - 12:26 PM