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> Trimming down a less than reliable XP system
speedemon86
post Aug 18 2008, 03:21 PM
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I've been spending some time with family up north, and this system is, to say the least, less than satisfactory. I run a lean 2k installation for my pitiful 700mhz celeron 192mb pc133 i810 system at home. On the slow side? sure, but it works. All the time.

here's the cpu-z report for the system here:
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CPU-Z version 1.46
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Processors Map
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Number of processors 1
Number of threads 1

Processor 0
-- Core 0
-- Thread 0

Processors Information
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Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 1 (max 1)
Number of threads 1 (max 1)
Name Intel Celeron
Codename Tualatin
Specification Intel® Celeron™ CPU 1200MHz
Package Socket 370 FC-PGA2 (platform ID = 4h)
CPUID 6.B.1
Extended CPUID 6.B
Brand ID 3
Core Stepping tA1
Technology 0.13 um
Core Speed 1196.0 MHz (12.0 x 99.7 MHz)
Stock frequency 1200 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE
L1 Data cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32-byte line size
L2 cache 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 32-byte line size
FID/VID Control no
Features

Chipset
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Northbridge Intel i815/E/EP rev. B
Southbridge Intel 82801BA (ICH2) rev. 11
Memory Type SDRAM
Memory Size 512 MBytes
CAS# 2.0
RAS# to CAS# 2
RAS# Precharge 2
Cycle Time (tRAS) 7
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 9


Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DIMM #1

General
Memory type SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) Micron Technology (2CFFFFFFFFFFFFFF)
Size 256 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC133 (133 MHz)
Part number 16LSDT3264AG-133E1
Serial number 5B17140E
Manufacturing date Week 40/Year 01

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 100 133
CAS# 2.0 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 2 3
RAS# Precharge 2 3
TRAS 5 6


DIMM #2

General
Memory type SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) Smart Modular (7F94FFFFFFFFFFFF)
Size 256 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC133 (133 MHz)
Part number SM564328574N03RHCH
Serial number D57DC00B
Manufacturing date Week 102/Year 12

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 100 133
CAS# 2.0 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 2 3
RAS# Precharge 2 3
TRAS 5 6


Software
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Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX Version 9.0c


By all measures this machine should be a fair bit better than the one I have at home. Well, it kind of isn't. There are periods of slowness, and random reboots (most often these happen when I'm interacting with gmail. I tried to trim down the automatic services a bit, turned a couple things off via msconfig, but there's still way too many needless processes running on startup, and the boot time is abysmal. Now I have heard that when done right, you can trim down XP to something very close to 2k standards. Unfortunately there's so much to try and clean up here that I'm a bit overwhelmed, so I am asking for help. Here's the hijack report, I can provide other information upon request (if there's the slightest possibility it will help, ask away!)

Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 5:19:36 PM, on 8/18/2008
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v7.00 (7.00.6000.16705)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXPPS.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\netdde.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\cisvc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dllhost.exe
C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\DefWatch.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\pctspk.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dllhost.exe
C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\Rtvscan.exe
C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Common\ViewpointService.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\vssvc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wbem\wmiapsrv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dmadmin.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\jusched.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe
C:\FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\firefox.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cidaemon.exe
C:\Program Files\Trend Micro\HijackThis\hijackthis.exe

O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar2.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar2.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [H/PC Connection Agent] "C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync\wcescomm.exe"
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-2243138800-955046455-48432600-501\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background (User 'Guest')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-2243138800-955046455-48432600-501\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe (User 'Guest')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-2243138800-955046455-48432600-501\..\Run: [swg] C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\1.2.1128.5462\GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe (User 'Guest')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [ALUAlert] C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUNotify.exe (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\Run: [ALUAlert] C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUNotify.exe (User 'Default user')
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~4\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O16 - DPF: {1F2F4C9E-6F09-47BC-970D-3C54734667FE} (LSSupCtl Class) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/LSSupCtl.cab
O16 - DPF: {3451DEDE-631F-421C-8127-FD793AFC6CC8} (ActiveDataInfo Class) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/SymAData.cab
O16 - DPF: {44990200-3C9D-426D-81DF-AAB636FA4345} (Symantec SmartIssue) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/tgctlsi.cab
O16 - DPF: {44990301-3C9D-426D-81DF-AAB636FA4345} (Symantec Script Runner Class) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/tgctlsr.cab
O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://fpdownload2.macromedia.com/get/shoc...ash/swflash.cab
O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec AntiVirus Definition Watcher (DefWatch) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\DefWatch.exe
O23 - Service: Google Updater Service (gusvc) - Google - C:\Program Files\Google\Common\Google Updater\GoogleUpdaterService.exe
O23 - Service: LexBce Server (LexBceS) - Lexmark International, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
O23 - Service: PCTEL Speaker Phone (Pctspk) - PCtel, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\pctspk.exe
O23 - Service: SAVRoam (SavRoam) - symantec - C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\SavRoam.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec AntiVirus - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\Rtvscan.exe
O23 - Service: SymWMI Service (SymWSC) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security Center\SymWSC.exe
O23 - Service: Viewpoint Manager Service - Viewpoint Corporation - C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Common\ViewpointService.exe

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Thanks in advance for any help.

This post has been edited by speedemon86: Aug 18 2008, 03:23 PM
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- speedemon86   Trimming down a less than reliable XP system   Aug 18 2008, 03:21 PM
- - Poolsharkzz   Speedemon86, Wow - talk about a challange! F...   Aug 18 2008, 05:45 PM
- - Th3_uN1Qu3   Poolsharkzz, i boot XP in 40 seconds, half of whic...   Aug 18 2008, 05:49 PM
|- - techywiz2007   nvm... had a post written, but didn't read the...   Aug 22 2008, 04:50 AM
- - maggotspawn   More RAM would help. 1 GB minimum for XP. I'd ...   Aug 18 2008, 05:53 PM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (maggotspawn @ Aug 19 2008, 02:53 A...   Aug 18 2008, 05:56 PM
|- - maggotspawn   QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Aug 18 2008, 04:56 PM...   Aug 18 2008, 06:43 PM
- - Poolsharkzz   Th3_uN1Qu3 Did I say under 2 minutes? Duha!...   Aug 18 2008, 06:10 PM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 03:10 A...   Aug 18 2008, 06:29 PM
- - Poolsharkzz   Yeah, your right about the Ram, he might want to u...   Aug 18 2008, 06:39 PM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 03:39 A...   Aug 18 2008, 06:43 PM
- - Poolsharkzz   I am behind Th3_uN1Qu3 a bit... Security - with t...   Aug 18 2008, 07:16 PM
- - Th3_uN1Qu3   A hosts file is enough, if he uses that he won...   Aug 18 2008, 07:21 PM
- - Poolsharkzz   Viewpoint Manager Service - is there a way he can ...   Aug 18 2008, 07:41 PM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 04:41 A...   Aug 18 2008, 07:50 PM
- - JedMeister   I agree with above.... More RAM is good - if poss...   Aug 18 2008, 07:53 PM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (JedMeister @ Aug 19 2008, 04:53 AM...   Aug 18 2008, 08:05 PM
- - JedMeister   QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Aug 19 2008, 12:05 PM...   Aug 18 2008, 08:41 PM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (JedMeister @ Aug 19 2008, 05:41 AM...   Aug 18 2008, 08:43 PM
- - speedemon86   Let's see if I can get this all in one reply: ...   Aug 18 2008, 08:54 PM
- - speedemon86   Update: uninstalled most of the things mentioned, ...   Aug 19 2008, 01:19 AM
- - JedMeister   @speedemon86 - Nice work mate, sounds like you...   Aug 19 2008, 04:54 AM
- - submix8c   Uhhh, just find the original I386 install folder, ...   Aug 19 2008, 10:34 AM
- - speedemon86   I'll look into that, thanks! I've alre...   Aug 19 2008, 12:14 PM
- - Poolsharkzz   Speedemon86, Great, seems like you have everythin...   Aug 19 2008, 12:40 PM
|- - Ponch   QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 08:40 P...   Aug 20 2008, 04:43 AM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (Ponch @ Aug 20 2008, 01:43 PM) Can...   Aug 20 2008, 06:05 AM
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- - speedemon86   Ahead of the game in some respects, been using pro...   Aug 19 2008, 01:21 PM
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- - Ponch   Well, at some point you need to decide wether you ...   Aug 19 2008, 02:36 PM
|- - Th3_uN1Qu3   QUOTE (Ponch @ Aug 19 2008, 11:36 PM) Wel...   Aug 19 2008, 02:56 PM
- - Zxian   I hate to say it, but the easiest and quickest way...   Aug 19 2008, 03:15 PM
- - submix8c   Ref "Cleaning the guts of the PC" - yes,...   Aug 19 2008, 04:45 PM
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- - speedemon86   Well put. I'd strongly advise against itunes o...   Aug 20 2008, 02:18 AM
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