That page at wpkg http://wpkg.org/Java is quite the most comprehensive set of instructions I've seen for installing the JRE.Thanks for the reference. I've used the "-s" variation previously in the past to install the JRE, without being bothered by the toolbar installation, because the test install computer was disconnected from the network at the time. So, I guess, as the WPKG page says "... tried to download the Google Toolbar ..." means really that, if it can't download actually during the install process, it doesn't get installed. Secondly, as you can see from my original two links, both versions of the file are available from the "consumer" site, but Oracle/Sun only publish one of the two links on the web page itself. .