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I have mobo Gigabyte Z77X-UD5H with Intel Core i5-3570K.

Nlite Win2k SP5 with blackwingcat’s iata76_cd2kd AHCI driver.

[Drivers]
..\iata76_cd2kd\Winall\Driver\iaAHCI.inf,iaAHCI_10R
..\mb_driver_chipset_intel_7series\INFUpdate\All\2008s4el.inf,0

Win2k doesn’t complain that driver is “corrupted”, but hangs at the first installation screen, “Press Enter to install Windows”.

Any ideas?


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Does it work when it's set to IDE mode?
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Does it work when it's set to IDE mode?


No, but XP does.

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Try installing to a VM, then cloning to the real machine. Does it then work?

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I'd try with a fully updated source (all official and if possible unofficial updates). Theoretically it shouldn't matter but I can say from my experience that it does matter. I had a situation when the setup didn't want to go any further and it was only after slipstreaming all official & unofficial updates that everything went smoothly. Otherwise it crashed just after the first part of the text setup.

As both AHCI & IDE modes don't work I don't believe it's a problem with the driver.

Edited by tomasz86, 05 July 2012 - 02:05 PM.

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Nlite Win2k SP5...

Next question - are you referring to this in tomasz86' signature (link inside that link back to MSFN Topic for it)?

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Try installing to a VM, then cloning to the real machine. Does it then work?


I’m running Win2k in VM on the Z77X-UD5H right now, also XP and Win7. Virtual machines cannot see the hardware, so I doubt that would work because Win2k would still have no drivers, though I’m open to ideas.

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I'd try with a fully updated source (all official and if possible unofficial updates). Theoretically it shouldn't matter but I can say from my experience that it does matter. I had a situation when the setup didn't want to go any further and it was only after slipstreaming all official & unofficial updates that everything went smoothly. Otherwise it crashed just after the first part of the text setup.

As both AHCI & IDE modes don't work I don't believe it's a problem with the driver.


Thank you. Has Blackwingcat confirmed whether the iata76_cd2kd AHCI driver works on the z77 platform? The z77 is very new, the mobo manufacturers are still working on the BIOS, and you’d need the very latest Linux kernel to support it.

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Nlite Win2k SP5...

Next question - are you referring to this in tomasz86' signature (link inside that link back to MSFN Topic for it)?


No, I used Gurglemyer’s original SP5, it is missing some 30-60 official KBs, I wish somebody would nlite them into SP5+ or something..

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No, I used Gurglemyer’s original SP5, it is missing some 30-60 official KBs, I wish somebody would nlite them into SP5+ or something..

Dude! Have you tried looking here (another MSFN member's website)? Also note that the prior link (tomasz86' website) I gave specifically states that it's a continuation of gurglemeyer's USP5! You're WAAAYYY behind the times! Either use the link I just gave or try any of the methods given by tomasz86. Start from there then come back with any problems (also try the Drivers -another MSFN member- you have). This is your best bet.

edit - WOW! That (see next post) is really comprehensive, tomasz86 - links and all! Kudos!

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Actually there are way more KBs missing from Gurgelmeyer's USP 5.1 whose last version was released around summer 2006, especially if you include patches for WMP, MDAC, DX, etc.

Here is a more or less accurate list of updates/HBRs included in the USP 5.1 which are still valid. You don't need to integrate them again if you use USP 5.1 but there still will be a lot of other packages to integrate/install (I'm not sure how many but probably around ~150?).

The complete method described on my website is probably the simplest way to slipstream everything and it utilises USP 5.1 too. Or you can follow the "Basic method" if you want a really super easy one. The bristols' updates list (already mentioned by submix8c) is also very good but you can easily get lost in the mass of updates.

Edited by tomasz86, 06 July 2012 - 08:12 AM.

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Actually there are way more KBs missing from Gurgelmeyer's USP 5.1 whose last version was released around summer 2006, especially if you include patches for WMP, MDAC, DX, etc.

Here is a more or less accurate list of updates/HBRs included in the USP 5.1 which are still valid. You don't need to integrate them again if you use USP 5.1 but there still will be a lot of other packages to integrate/install (I'm not sure how many but probably around ~150?).

The complete method described on my website is probably the simplest way to slipstream everything and it utilises USP 5.1 too. Or you can follow the "Basic method" if you want a really super easy one.



Thank you, I didn’t know all this. I’m not an IT administrator, I’m an inventor/industrial designer, so I find this “too much info”, HF, HFSLIP & RVMi mean nothing to me.

-- Is there a single file SPx that I can run to integrate everything into SP4 in one shot?

-- OR a collection of KBs that I can download, unzip into a single directory and ask Nlite to integrate them all at once and prepare a final ISO?

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Unfortunately nLite is not capable of integrating updates that add new files to the source which means that it cannot integrate UURollup and/or Update Rollup 2.

You really can't avoid using HFSLIP but if you look at the basic method described on my site you can see that you only need three (four in case of Server) files to download.

It's really simple:

1. You only need to download HFSLIP together will all other tools listed in the Table 6 (except the ones for XP).
2. Download the newest version of UURollup (ENU) and Update Rollup 2 and place them in HFSLIP\HF directory.
3. Copy your Windows' source to HFSLIP\SOURCE.
4. Run HFSLIP (with default settings).
5. After it's finished run nLite on HFSLIP\SOURCESS and integrate Onepiece's Windows 2000 postSP4 Update Pack. At this point you can also integrate drivers and do all other changes in nLite.
6. Create ISO.

This is basically it. You're not integrating ALL available components this way but this is the price for simplicity. Still your Windows will ~95% up to date. The only important components which are excluded are .NET Framework 3.0, 3.5 and 4.0 but you can always install them later if necessary.


Is there a single file SPx that I can run to integrate everything into SP4 in one shot?

This is what I've been preparing but it's still a long way to go. The OnePiece's Update Pack is this kind of package but only for official components.

Edited by tomasz86, 06 July 2012 - 09:39 AM.

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OK, I read and here’s what I understand:

Windows2000-UpdateRollup2-x86-ENU.exe -- Has everything but it only updates a running system, which I don’t have, I’m trying to create a complete boot-up install CD. So, NOT usable for my purposes?

OnePiece_Windows_2000_Post-SP4_UpdatePack_v5.0.2_FINAL_ENU.7z -- Works, has the same content as above, and CAN be integrated using Nlite: Unpack archive, Select “Integrate Hotfixes, Add-ons and Update Packs” and “Create Bootable ISO”. For the 3 problem files, when prompted select to “overwrite”. (Just curious -- How does Nlite know what to integrate? It will look at all the INF files?)

Do I get it?

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Windows2000-UpdateRollup2-x86-ENU.exe -- Has everything but it only updates a running system<snip>Do I get it?

No, you don't. Who told you that? Whoever did, they fibbed and/or misled you - It is "integrate-able"! Do NOT use nLite for first part, use HFSLIP first for "fixes" then nLite for Drivers after, i.e. Follow the instructions given. ;)

You should use HFSLIP first and then integrate the update pack with nLite or RVMi. Do not try doing it the other way round.


Edited by submix8c, 06 July 2012 - 10:31 AM.

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Do I get it?

Uhm, not exactly :no:

Windows2000-UURollup-v10-x86-ENU.exe and Windows2000-UpdateRollup2-x86-ENU.exe can be installed manually or slipstreamed with HFSLIP.

OnePiece_Windows_2000_Post-SP4_UpdatePack_v5.0.2_FINAL_ENU.7z can be integrated with nLite but do NOT unpack it. You just integrate it as it is. nLite checks for file versions to determine which files is newer. The content of the update pack and Update Rollup 2 is similar but not the same. There are more updates / hotfixes integrated in Update Rollup 2 than in the update pack. On the other hand the Update Pack covers not only system updates but also IE, MDAC, WMP and other components.

That's why I included all of them in the "basic method" because they are complementary.
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Do I get it?

Uhm, not exactly :no:

Windows2000-UURollup-v10-x86-ENU.exe and Windows2000-UpdateRollup2-x86-ENU.exe can be installed manually or slipstreamed with HFSLIP.

OnePiece_Windows_2000_Post-SP4_UpdatePack_v5.0.2_FINAL_ENU.7z can be integrated with nLite but do NOT unpack it. You just integrate it as it is. nLite checks for file versions to determine which files is newer. The content of the update pack and Update Rollup 2 is similar but not the same. There are more updates / hotfixes integrated in Update Rollup 2 than in the update pack. On the other hand the Update Pack covers not only system updates but also IE, MDAC, WMP and other components.

That's why I included all of them in the "basic method" because they are complementary.



Thank you. I used Nlite and integrated:
-- Gurglemyer’s SP5
-- OnePiece_Windows_2000_Post-SP4_UpdatePack_v5.0.2_FINAL_ENU.7z, simple one-shot, it worked, like you said.
-- blackwingcat’s iata76_cd2kd AHCI driver

but... AHCI mode gives blue screen (inaccessible boot device) and IDE mode still hangs at the "Welcome to Setup" screen. :unsure:


XP works OK, but only in IDE mode. I run Win2000 just fine in VM, but I want to use it to manage NTFS partitions, chkdsk and defrag...

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Repeat - Try the way you were given. Otherwise you are wasting the time of those trying to help. FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS! Why do you insist on doing the same thing over-and-over again? If it fails, then... YOUR way does NOT WORK!

tomasz86 DID NOT instruct you to do that!

edit - and the XP needs the SATA drivers installed!!!

Edited by submix8c, 06 July 2012 - 11:47 AM.

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Does this version of BWC's adapted driver work on your disk host?

You could look at the identity of the hardware disk host of the Z77 (vendor=8086, chip=nnnn...), possibly on the Internet, and check in the .inf file of the driver if it is included.

And (I'm not familiar with nLite, sorry) if you have to indicate the identity of the disk host, is this one right? Because I see a "10R" in a file name, which may suggest the ich10r which is NOT your disk host on the Z77.

Could you use an F6 diskette coupled with a standard W2k installation disk?

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Now I testing Extended kernel + Extended Core.(Now JPN only)
In the environment Intel Rapid Storage Manager 8.9 and Intel HD 2500(3rd Gen) Graphic Driver worked.

On Windows 2000 , some Drivers must be set "NODRV"
For example Intel turbo memory driver and Intel HDMI Driver and so on.

Does this version of BWC's adapted driver work on your disk host?

You could look at the identity of the hardware disk host of the Z77 (vendor=8086, chip=nnnn...), possibly on the Internet, and check in the .inf file of the driver if it is included.

And (I'm not familiar with nLite, sorry) if you have to indicate the identity of the disk host, is this one right? Because I see a "10R" in a file name, which may suggest the ich10r which is NOT your disk host on the Z77.

Could you use an F6 diskette coupled with a standard W2k installation disk?


Edited by blackwingcat, 08 July 2012 - 09:20 PM.

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Any news? Has anybody booted Win2k on the z77 platform with integrated hd4000 video?

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You probably need to test it yourself. There aren't many people using Win2k on such a new hardware so waiting for someone to answer on this particular question may be a waste of time :whistle: Even if someone does use the system on a new hardware it may still be very different from yours so it's impossible to confirm whether it may work or not. I myself have got a not too old motherboard but it's for AMD (FM1) so I can't say anything about the Intel chipsets and their compatibility.
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You probably need to test it yourself. There aren't many people using Win2k on such a new hardware so waiting for someone to answer on this particular question may be a waste of time :whistle: Even if someone does use the system on a new hardware it may still be very different from yours so it's impossible to confirm whether it may work or not. I myself have got a not too old motherboard but it's for AMD (FM1) so I can't say anything about the Intel chipsets and their compatibility.


I did try, thats why I started this thread. We need Intel AHCI driver. Video for the HD 4000 would be nice too.

AMD is much better, it's a straightforward install on the latest hardware, I expect to have Win2k on 8-core Vishera and Steamroller without any problem on the latest Sabertooth.

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I've just re-read the topic from the beginning and I think that if the setup hangs in IDE mode then it's not the SATA driver to prevent it from installation. The easiest way to check it would be move the system disk to another computer, install Win2k there (in IDE mode) and then move it back. If the system boots up and works and it will mean that it's a just a problem in Win2k installer.
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Right, good idea, that has happened to me before, Win2k rebooted 3-dozen times to reconfigure but worked.




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